I would rather be spared the pain of digging them out and would instead refer you to the Morgan and Peace Dollar threads. There are many pictures posted of the slaughter and some crazy spots and dings. 😢
i'm pretty sure i recall reading in multiple threads when this was a major issue on the ASEs that the tpgs do not cover this type of spotting issue.
so is it still a major issue and if it is, then it kinda seems like hot potato, don't be the last one holding. with values of items form the mints and increased costs from slabbing, one must ask, why do i keep doing this?
but if it ISN"T a major issue any more, then i can see the logic in continuing i guess and just hoping not to have one/some w/o this malady.
or are they still quite salable despite some spotting and is accepted as not much can be done?
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None yet, and do not expect any. Dipped them in acetone when received. Cheers, RickO
now i don't recall from the numerous threads how people have tried to remove them once they develop and what kind of results followed.
i imagine if someone found a very effective solution and could still get 70s (69s where applicable) it would be quite financially beneficial to NOT share that solution but it seems i just recall that no solution was posted. albeit someone could have easily posted it and i just not read it.
@LanceNewmanOCC... There is no known solution for removing milk spots... I give them an acetone bath upon receipt, because Russ told me years ago, that was the method he employed to 'prevent' milk spots. Seems to work.
Cheers, RickO
@ricko said: @LanceNewmanOCC... There is no known solution for removing milk spots... I give them an acetone bath upon receipt, because Russ told me years ago, that was the method he employed to 'prevent' milk spots. Seems to work.
Cheers, RickO
a risky business when going for 70s.
i was never a fan of dipping/rinsing/drying proof coinage, even far from a grade of 70 but i probably didn't have enough practice at it. i don't think i was using distilled water so that may account for the biggest challenges i had at that time.
do you find it best to use acetone as the last step since it is not prone to leaving much visible residue behind or going the distilled water route with maybe a fan blowing to speed up the process. i'm sure there are some materials soft enough and absorbing enough to gently pat dry but again, on proofs, a risky business.
The acetone when pure dries instantly on silver coins and needs no “pats” - I’ve used acetone to remove some toning and debris but never knew it would prevent milk spots so I learned something today! I thought milk spots were from soap on the planchette and then “struck” into the coin, so hard to see how you prevent that from showing up but maybe the acetone keeps it from becoming obvious but I’m pretty sure they are already there. Love the comments - let’s see some pics!
@LanceNewmanOCC ... Russ told me to use pure acetone and immerse the coin, agitate the fluid so it has a rinsing effect, dip it in another container of acetone and let it dry. That is what I do and it either works, or I have been very lucky. Cheers, RickO
@ricko said: @LanceNewmanOCC ... Russ told me to use pure acetone and immerse the coin, agitate the fluid so it has a rinsing effect, dip it in another container of acetone and let it dry. That is what I do and it either works, or I have been very lucky. Cheers, RickO
glad to hear it. just curious if you have had good long-term results from using acetone or distilled water as a last step.
@Che_Grapes ...The theory most popular, is as you have noted....However, there seems to be a missing link... that which makes the spots 'appear'. Russ believed that the acetone interrupted that process. I learned this from him over twenty years ago, did not question it then, I just did it. He is no longer with us, so cannot pursue his basis for arriving at the technique. Cheers, RickO
@LanceNewmanOCC .... For this process on proofs, I only used acetone..... Other coins I have used acetone, followed by alcohol, followed by hot water rinse, then another acetone rinse. That was for coins with organic residues. Cheers, RickO
Thanks Ricko. Very well put and answered my other question as to use . I’ve heard you mention your process but this was nicely put.
One question? How are you holding the coin when you remove it from the wash and move it to the next rinse. Are you using your fingers or what?
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One question? How are you holding the coin when you remove it from the wash and move it to the next rinse. Are you using your fingers or what?
@Herb_T ... Local hardware store... and I have to get another can, ran out last week. Will post a picture when I get it... could be a few days. Cheers, RickO
I prefer ejection marks over distracting ones (spots). And haven't even seen a "new" Morgan or Peace dollar, yet. A few guys tried to sell 'em to me. Uninterested still. Tyvm.
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I don’t understand why they still let the workers drink milk on the production floor. Seems like an easy fix.
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Sounds like if you have 70s in holders, you should sell them now and buy some that remain unspotted next year.
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I would rather be spared the pain of digging them out and would instead refer you to the Morgan and Peace Dollar threads. There are many pictures posted of the slaughter and some crazy spots and dings. 😢
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None yet, and do not expect any. Dipped them in acetone when received. Cheers, RickO
Yup
i'm pretty sure i recall reading in multiple threads when this was a major issue on the ASEs that the tpgs do not cover this type of spotting issue.
so is it still a major issue and if it is, then it kinda seems like hot potato, don't be the last one holding. with values of items form the mints and increased costs from slabbing, one must ask, why do i keep doing this?
but if it ISN"T a major issue any more, then i can see the logic in continuing i guess and just hoping not to have one/some w/o this malady.
or are they still quite salable despite some spotting and is accepted as not much can be done?
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For 70’s
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now i don't recall from the numerous threads how people have tried to remove them once they develop and what kind of results followed.
i imagine if someone found a very effective solution and could still get 70s (69s where applicable) it would be quite financially beneficial to NOT share that solution but it seems i just recall that no solution was posted. albeit someone could have easily posted it and i just not read it.
You are correct. Nothing known to date. As you say, that’s being shared. 😸
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@LanceNewmanOCC... There is no known solution for removing milk spots... I give them an acetone bath upon receipt, because Russ told me years ago, that was the method he employed to 'prevent' milk spots. Seems to work.
Cheers, RickO
a risky business when going for 70s.
i was never a fan of dipping/rinsing/drying proof coinage, even far from a grade of 70 but i probably didn't have enough practice at it. i don't think i was using distilled water so that may account for the biggest challenges i had at that time.
do you find it best to use acetone as the last step since it is not prone to leaving much visible residue behind or going the distilled water route with maybe a fan blowing to speed up the process. i'm sure there are some materials soft enough and absorbing enough to gently pat dry but again, on proofs, a risky business.
The acetone when pure dries instantly on silver coins and needs no “pats” - I’ve used acetone to remove some toning and debris but never knew it would prevent milk spots so I learned something today! I thought milk spots were from soap on the planchette and then “struck” into the coin, so hard to see how you prevent that from showing up but maybe the acetone keeps it from becoming obvious but I’m pretty sure they are already there. Love the comments - let’s see some pics!
@LanceNewmanOCC ... Russ told me to use pure acetone and immerse the coin, agitate the fluid so it has a rinsing effect, dip it in another container of acetone and let it dry. That is what I do and it either works, or I have been very lucky. Cheers, RickO
glad to hear it. just curious if you have had good long-term results from using acetone or distilled water as a last step.
@Che_Grapes ...The theory most popular, is as you have noted....However, there seems to be a missing link... that which makes the spots 'appear'. Russ believed that the acetone interrupted that process. I learned this from him over twenty years ago, did not question it then, I just did it. He is no longer with us, so cannot pursue his basis for arriving at the technique. Cheers, RickO
@LanceNewmanOCC .... For this process on proofs, I only used acetone..... Other coins I have used acetone, followed by alcohol, followed by hot water rinse, then another acetone rinse. That was for coins with organic residues. Cheers, RickO
Thanks Ricko. Very well put and answered my other question as to use . I’ve heard you mention your process but this was nicely put.
One question? How are you holding the coin when you remove it from the wash and move it to the next rinse. Are you using your fingers or what?
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Where did you get your acetone and can you post a photo of the container?
@Herb_T ... Local hardware store... and I have to get another can, ran out last week. Will post a picture when I get it... could be a few days. Cheers, RickO
I prefer ejection marks over distracting ones (spots). And haven't even seen a "new" Morgan or Peace dollar, yet. A few guys tried to sell 'em to me. Uninterested still. Tyvm.
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