1795 Flowing Hair Dollar
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Is this real or a fake? These are the only pictures I have.
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Very fake
11.5$ Southern Dollars, The little “Big Easy” set
Very Bogus
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Wow, I guess I'm in the minority. It certainly has that Chinese aged look to it, but it's a well done BB-14 which I haven't seen out of China. Looks like it may have been holed and repaired at 12:00, wear pattern looks authentic. Obverse seems to have a bit of tooling. I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be genuine.
What am I missing?
Also tooled on the reverse dentils at 6 where the plug is visible on the BB-14, and it has a heated appearance. However, I would want to inspect in-hand to confirm authenticity, as a holed and plugged coin could be a host.
The coin sold for $2400 without the 15% BP.
The portrait is off. Like others have stated, it is a counterfeit of probably non-contemporary fashion.
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I think the coin is fake and the buyer will at some point be very disappointed and unhappy.
Looks wrong to me as the bust, stars and date don't line up correctly.
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I’ll bet ya it sticks to a magnet too.
I understand the desire to default to counterfeit, but in this case it just isn't warranted. If it's fake then it's not going to be detected by the design but by an in-hand analysis of the surfaces. Here's a side-by-side view of a VF-20 BB-14 (cert 81180375) and the OP coin. If you overlay them they match perfectly:
I like it
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fwiw. the wonkieness of the dentils on these and cbh not withstanding, if you draw a straight line from the tip of the stars to their corresponding dentils, along with the date (we do this with vams constantly), there are discrepancies.
i'd start with S1 @ K7
I don't see any discrepancies, all the stars line up correctly. There's some casual visual difference due to wear and the smoothing that probably occurred on the OP coin, but a closer looks shows a match.
PS. No I'm not the buyer of the coin, I don't have a dog in this hunt. I'm just surprised at how quickly "fake" was called.
nice work. i certainly can't challenge your info/efforts.
there is till just something that is not quite ringing right with me. i'll report back after i do some legwork.
fwiw, the first star w/o doing my lines like you did, REALLY looked like it was not aligning with the example you posted.
The heated/aged look threw me off, fluffy has won me over to real but super abused
11.5$ Southern Dollars, The little “Big Easy” set
It looked off to me too, I had to draw the lines to convince myself.
Nice, sticking to your guns, and providing "conclusive visual evidence". 🙂
Interesting take from @fluffy155 but I'm still going with fake, although the area that looks plugged at 6 o'clock on the reverse did make me wonder (more on that in a minute).
My opinion is that the the obverse segments (denticles) and raised, sharp rim at about 1:00 to 6:30, as well as the legend are far too crisp for a coin with that much wear ... and the obverse (especially) does not appear to have a authentic texture or to be struck on an authentic planchet.
If fake (which I still believe) the die was definitely made from an authentic coin, which would account for the correct device and segment positioning and could have also transferred the anomaly area where the plug was on the original.
Of course, without the coin in hand I am speculating, but I wouldn't touch it with my money ... or with yours.
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i doubt we'll ever know 100% but i still don't like it either. the "plugged" area should give a lot of hesitation and it does but not enough for me to agree it is authentic, from those images alone. if we could see the edge, we could probably wrap this one up quick and go home. i also don't like the denticles and until i see another 95 that is close to sharing what the denticles look like on the op coin, i wont give it a thumbs up for my part, despite some good effort being put forth here.
i tried to run down the marriage on earlydollars but for some reason i couldn't land on bb14 using the op coin. perhaps someone with more practice using it can set me straight?
all of these are from CF bb14 page. fwiw
To my untrained, and very skeptical eye, I saw it as a genuine before reading any responses, so I will trust my instinct. That said if I was to buy one (with my hard earned dough), I'd only buy one certified by an eye much better than my own.
Oh it could well be fake as it looks overly smoothed and tampered with, possibly to cover up evidence of the copying method. Without close examination I'm probably 70/30 on the side of genuine, but I certainly wouldn't bet any money on it.
As far as the BB-14 classification it's the only marriage that has the point of the bust so close to S14, all of the other obverses have the bust at S15 so BB-14 sticks out pretty clearly.
I didn't do anything but look at the pics.
It screams fake to me.
If I had a reason to be interested, I'd do a lot of research.