Pre-1933 Silver, what's the grade?
johnny010
Posts: 1,772 ✭✭✭✭✭
Probably no relevance about being pre-1933 but I needed a title. Anyway, I have a few considering to send in for grading and wanted general opinions if the coins are in "good enough shape" to send in. 100% aware everyone has an opinion but throw out a yes or no and a potential grade will help me decide.
Thanks for the feedback.
1825 Bust...scratches on the obverse are on the case, not the coin!
1876 Seated Half....
1917 Type 1
0
Comments
The first 2 coins look to be cleaned AU details.
The SLQ maybe cleaned. Unc
Successful BST with ad4400, Kccoin, lablover, pointfivezero, koynekwest, jwitten, coin22lover, HalfDimeDude, erwindoc, jyzskowsi, COINS MAKE CENTS, AlanSki, BryceM
Horrible pictures. You need to take them out of the 2x2 to photograph. Top 2 appear to be detail grades but could be the photos.
SLQ is AU55
Ok yes didn't want to touch with fingers. I'll get better photos.
The two half dollars appear to be cleaned AU's, with the Seated Liberty coin being harshly cleaned.
The 1917 quarter looks like an AU. It may also have been cleaned but would have to be seen in hand to be sure.
I like all 3 coins. Even though they very well might have been cleaned, I would say they all 3 would be MS60. Only way to know for sure is to have them graded.
None of the coins appear to be uncirculated and getting them graded isn’t the only way to know for sure.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
I paid a lot from three different sellers. Thinking I have at least $1K in all three ungraded. I didn't see the "cleaned look" until using the 250x microscope I took the pictures with. Feeling pretty disappointed right now. Going to have a bit of dinner and will take these out tomorrow with gloves and send better pictures.
The 1825 was told had been in a safe since 1961 untouched / uncleaned
The 1876 and 1917 was told both were not cleaned. Looks like I possibly made a bad call.
Cheer up kid. It's nice to have that kind of cash for "play money" to begin with.
I'm sure you would be able to flip them and get your money back if you decide to.
These were some of my favorites. Hoping there is a different sentiment tomorrow after getting them out of the cases. If they are cleaned, they will be dirt cheap for someone else.
cleaned AUs would be my guess
Tom
All seem "Whizzed" to brighten them up. Agree, all AU Details - Cleaned.
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
“Cleaned” and “whizzed” are two very different things. I don’t see any signs of whizzing.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
I just couldn't think of a cleaning process that makes them shine unless polishing, but then wouldn't that leave much more surface scratches then they show?
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
The 1825 could have been in a safe since 1961. But that still leaves 136 years where someone could have cleaned it. Most cleaning on 19th century coins was done in the 19th century. It was quite common to polish your silver then, including the coins.
The 1917 doesn't look definitely cleaned. There are a couple lines that are suspicious, but photos can be deceiving.
The 1876 is almost definitely cleaned. You can see the very straight lines going from top to bottom in the photo. It's a little harder to tell with the 1825, but the difference in luster around the stars and in the fields suggest some kind of old cleaning.
Not necessarily.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Like the 25 and 17, really dont like the 76...
Ok pulled these out.
Here are better pictures at 3x or 10x
1825
1876
1917
1864
1880
Never rely on sellers claims or stories. Collectible fields are the realm of individuals with poor memories, inflated expectations and questionable ethical standards. Learn to grade and spot surface alterations and make your own decisions.
The first three coins all appear to have been stripped of the "skin" that would be expected on their surfaces. On the SLQ, note the black gunk around the stars on the right reverse on a coin that otherwise appears "blast white". The surfaces of all three have been tampered with.
Coinlearner, Ahrensdad, Nolawyer, RG, coinlieutenant, Yorkshireman, lordmarcovan, Soldi, masscrew, JimTyler, Relaxn, jclovescoins
Now listen boy, I'm tryin' to teach you sumthin' . . . . that ain't no optical illusion, it only looks like an optical illusion.
My mind reader refuses to charge me....
In your second batch of photos the 1864 two cent piece appears to be polished.
The photos of the dollar are not good enough to make a call. (poor lighting)
Not that you asked, but...I suggest that unless you don’t care about money, you have a knowledgeable collector or dealer assess the coins in hand. And that you learn how to grade, before buying anything else. The two half dollars and the two cent piece look like problem coins and I can’t tell on the quarter.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
That 1825 half may well have been a lovely original coin before it was altered.
Coinlearner, Ahrensdad, Nolawyer, RG, coinlieutenant, Yorkshireman, lordmarcovan, Soldi, masscrew, JimTyler, Relaxn, jclovescoins
Now listen boy, I'm tryin' to teach you sumthin' . . . . that ain't no optical illusion, it only looks like an optical illusion.
My mind reader refuses to charge me....
Like mentioned above. Very nice coins but tampered with unfortunately. The sure tell signs of cleaning/polishing are the obvious shine. Not luster but shiny. Don't be discouraged. Keep searching for liable coins. Good Luck.
Thanks for posting and sharing.
The people that posted answers for your questions are very wise and knowledgeable in all your coin needs.
"Jesus died for you and for me, Thank you,Jesus"!!!
--- If it should happen I die and leave this world and you want to remember me. Please only remember my opening Sig Line.Different background, different camera, different lighting...
1825
1917
1864
Your images are far from ideal for purposes of assessing coins.
However, the quarter still looks AU and the Two Cent piece still looks unoriginal/cleaned. The dollar looks like a low grade Unc. example. It would be better to get in-hand assessments from someone knowledgeable.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Thanks
How do I get correct lighting and photos. I'll buy whatever is needed.
If it takes you that many photos, you may want to consider another hobby.
However, the quarter still looks AU and the Two Cent piece still looks unoriginal/cleaned. The dollars looks like low grade Unc. examples. It would be better to get in hand assessments from someone knowledgeable.
There have been a lot of threads with imaging and lighting tips. Hopefully, someone who’s familiar with them can post a couple of links.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Raw coins out of the 2x2 holders are reasonably easy to get “good enough “ images with an iPhone. Just keep experimenting until your images look close to the in-hand visual appearance. And by all means, see what other threads mention.
1825 half dollar: Looks like it may have been lightly cleaned at one point. It might still be "market acceptable" and could grade AU55.
1876-S half dollar: Heavily polished and then "milk spotted". This coin is definitely NOT "market acceptable" and would never receive a problem-free grade.
1917-D quarter: A little wear on the knee, but a nice AU55.
1964 2-cent: Cleaned, NOT "market acceptable" and would never receive a problem-free grade.
1880-o dollar: Might have had a light cleaning and there are gashes on the cheek. Maybe MS60, but I would label it "scratched" due to the marks on the cheek.
Thank you for the help here.
Although your pictures make assessment a bit difficult as far as grades, they clearly show the coins have been cleaned and would not grade at a TPG. Cheers, RickO