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AU or UNC, what say you? **Grade revealed**

relicsncoinsrelicsncoins Posts: 7,905 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited January 19, 2022 2:01PM in U.S. Coin Forum

ANACS graded it AU55/55. My thoughts even with the coin in hand I go back and forth between AU58 and MS62. If I had to guess, PCGS would give it the rare AU58+ grade.

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  • coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 11,246 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Is it toned this color or is the white balance off?

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  • Mr_SpudMr_Spud Posts: 5,274 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I’m thinking 58+

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  • Batman23Batman23 Posts: 4,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That's a tough one. I'm leaning more towards AU than MS.

  • relicsncoinsrelicsncoins Posts: 7,905 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @coinbuf said:
    Is it toned this color or is the white balance off?

    White balance is off. It's a neutral grey.

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  • coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 11,246 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Ok I was guessing so but curious. Assuming this is one of your old photo certs I'm going to say AU55

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  • relicsncoinsrelicsncoins Posts: 7,905 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I updated the photos to a more natural look.

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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,400 ✭✭✭✭✭

    While I’m not particularly confident in this, I’ll go with Unc.

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  • SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,497 ✭✭✭✭✭

    High AU.

  • moursundmoursund Posts: 3,207 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like slight rub... I'll call it AU58.

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  • logger7logger7 Posts: 8,503 ✭✭✭✭✭

    58/62; let the graders decide.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 33,920 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU

  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,793 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yes. Somewhere right in there. AU59.

    ;)

  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 9,287 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Methinks Unc.

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  • Jzyskowski1Jzyskowski1 Posts: 6,650 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU 58.
    The wear I’m seeing is in the hair from behind ear down the neck in the curls.

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  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 13,962 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I’m thinking MS as I see zero evidence of any rub. I think what I’m seeing on the high points of the coin might be some sort of friction from a coin album. It’s a very tough call from the pics or any pics for that matter.

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  • sparky64sparky64 Posts: 7,036 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm gonna go with MS and blame the indecision on a wearing die and not fully striking up
    Tough pic to judge.

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  • ThreeCentSilverFLThreeCentSilverFL Posts: 1,686 ✭✭✭✭✭

    UNC because; I see the small reverse die cracks at 11:00 and 1:00, so maybe the "wear" is actually a worn die. Just a WAG. Tough pic.

  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,160 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I bought one at the Baltimore show that looked a lot like that for 58 money... it holdered at 63.

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  • NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 10,997 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks low MS from the pics.

  • spacehaydukespacehayduke Posts: 5,715 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AUnt or UNCle? Not sure.

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  • vplite99vplite99 Posts: 1,265 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very slight rub, high AU.

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  • privatecoinprivatecoin Posts: 3,363 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'd say AU.

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  • CoinJunkieCoinJunkie Posts: 8,772 ✭✭✭✭✭

    First thought was AU, but the more I looked at it, the more UNC it looked. B)

  • cladkingcladking Posts: 28,630 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm thinking Unc with a slight haze that will come off in acetone.

    If it's not haze then it's probably a very fine rub on the obverse.

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  • moursundmoursund Posts: 3,207 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @spacehayduke said:
    AUnt or UNCle? Not sure.

    Ha! Is that original?

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  • Coin FinderCoin Finder Posts: 7,155 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Can't tell, need to see in hand..

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,085 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Impossible to tell from that pic. Could be either an AU58 slider or a MS. Needs to be examined in hand under good lighting.

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  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 28,271 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'll say ms 62 .we shall see

  • HiBuckyHiBucky Posts: 588 ✭✭✭

    AU 58 ...

  • TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:
    Impossible to tell from that pic. Could be either an AU58 slider or a MS. Needs to be examined in hand under good lighting.

    agreed

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  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    You guys know the drill!

    Buyer = AU58
    Seller = MS63

  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,323 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU58

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looking like low MS to me.... Could go either way in hand.... Cheers, RickO

  • relicsncoinsrelicsncoins Posts: 7,905 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Grade revealed in OP

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  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    LOL! Your grade just adds to the debate!

    @relicsncoins said:
    Grade revealed in OP

  • coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 11,246 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @relicsncoins said:
    Grade revealed in OP

    Does that mean I win the coin for being the only correct answer? ;)

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  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,793 ✭✭✭✭✭

    In my own sense of "how it should be" an AU58 is a coin that has a trivial bit of rub that you have to search for. Anything more than that should be AU55.

    The so-called "standards" of today have wandered a great distance from such a viewpoint. Very clear and visible wear is now graded MS62 if the coin is otherwise stellar. It's just the reality of today's market.

    In other words, an old photocert at AU55 is often the same as today's MS62.

  • relicsncoinsrelicsncoins Posts: 7,905 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 19, 2022 3:45PM

    @amwldcoin said:
    LOL! Your grade just adds to the debate!

    @relicsncoins said:
    Grade revealed in OP

    Especially since, as far as I can tell ANACS never used AU58 on photo certificates. I've seen probably over a thousand of them and own several hundred and I have never seen the grade AU58/58. If the graders believed the coin had rub, the highest grade they could assign was AU55/55. If someone has an AU58/58 photo certificate, I would love to see it.

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  • sparky64sparky64 Posts: 7,036 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 19, 2022 3:58PM

    This was a fun exercise.
    Send it back for reconsideration. 😉

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  • kruegerkrueger Posts: 856 ✭✭✭

    I
    " In other words, an old photocert at AU55 is often the same as today's MS62."

    Could not agree more. Lots of rub ( from what ever source) on even higher grades I have seen.
    Fudging wear away by well it's "so and so kind of rub so it's still unc.
    The old pre slabbed days "SLIDER" Sell as an unc game. Some things never change. The wolf just changes sheep clothes.

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,085 ✭✭✭✭✭

    At the time ANACS was issuing certificates, AU58 was not being used as a grade.

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  • I'm looking at somewhere between MS1 and MS70! In reality AU55

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