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SSCA $50 Kellogg gold slug broken collar error by Dwight Manley and Ron Landis

ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,117 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited January 19, 2022 8:00AM in U.S. Coin Forum

Here's a fascinating broken collar error from the 2001 SSCA transfer die restrikes of the 1855 Kellogg $50 gold slugs. It has a finned rim and was struck with a broken collar. It was struck on August 25, 2001.

These were created by Dwight Manley using transfer dies prepared by Ron Landis.

Anyone know the story about the broken collar and what happened?

Hopefully @Dwight_M can fill us in :)

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Interesting... Have not seen that effect before.... I hope someone chimes in with process detail. Cheers, RickO

  • ByersByers Posts: 1,578 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here is another one that Kagin’s sold in 2017. Don’t know how many are out there…

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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,117 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 17, 2022 8:01AM

    @Byers said:
    Here is another one that Kagin’s sold in 2017. Don’t know how many are out there…

    Very interesting Mike @Byers! Here's the one from Kagin's:

    https://www.icollector.com/1855-August-29-2001-California-Historical-Society-Commemorative-Restrike-Kellogg-Co-50-Gold_i27907219

    I originally thought this was unique as mentioned by Kagin's, but in looking into this more, I want to say I've seen one more *that haven't been able to locate it just now). So, I'm guessing at least 3 right now.

    A nice thing about these is the date struck counterstamp. The one from Stack's in the OP was struck on August 25 while the one you posted from Kagin's was struck on August 29.

    It would be great if PCGS had different coin numbers for error types, like variety coin numbers.

    If we find any other specimens, let's post them in this thread!

  • LukeMarshallLukeMarshall Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 17, 2022 12:37PM

    This one is on EBay for about 20k right now, it’s an AUG 25th… it’s the same one from your OP.

    I used a picture as the link was a mile long.

    It's all about what the people want...

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,117 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 18, 2022 6:01PM

    Here's the TrueView and slab photos of the August 29 specimen from Kagin's:

  • Farmer1961Farmer1961 Posts: 167 ✭✭✭

    That is super cool!!! I placed an order to Dan Carr for a 1934 $20 Sain Gaudens fantasy strike but he sold out and my check was misplaced. MR. Carr offered to strike one more coin or he had a multiple strike piece he would give me instead. I took the multiple strike coin and is is a fantastic triple struck coin.

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,117 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 18, 2022 8:08PM

    @Farmer1961 said:
    That is super cool!!! I placed an order to Dan Carr for a 1934 $20 Sain Gaudens fantasy strike but he sold out and my check was misplaced. MR. Carr offered to strike one more coin or he had a multiple strike piece he would give me instead. I took the multiple strike coin and is is a fantastic triple struck coin.

    Wow, nice! Congrats! You scored big time!

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,133 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The problem with coins coming from private mints is that you don't know if an error is a legitimate error or was an intentional error.

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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,117 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 19, 2022 8:01AM

    @PerryHall said:
    The problem with coins coming from private mints is that you don't know if an error is a legitimate error or was an intentional error.

    I fixed it for you ;)

    We have lots of discussions on US Mint product so we shouldn’t ignore that.

    For private issues, we do know for some based on discussions and manufacturing process. This needs to be better documented and we do need more info on others like the Kellogg pieces here.

    I will say that the more common something is, the more likely it will an intentional error. And the more likely something will be to damage the press, the more likely it will be an unintentional error.

    Regarding the pieces here, what are the chances that two collars broke within 4 days of each other? Perhaps the first one was unintentional and the subsequent ones were intentional?

  • Farmer1961Farmer1961 Posts: 167 ✭✭✭

    I would guess the triple struck 1934 Saint was intentional. However it is a great looking coin especially due to the large size of the coin.

  • CoinosaurusCoinosaurus Posts: 9,629 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Disregarding the value, I'd much rather have a perfectly struck example. The coin is made-up to begin with, so you might as well get a nice one.

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