If you send a coin in for crossing over
Herb_T
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Do you crack it out and send the bare coin or do you send it in the original TPG holder? If you say it depends, please give some comment on what it depends on….
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If it's cracked out, how does the TPG know it was previously in a holder?
I am not sure what your comment pertains to, I will ask again, maybe organized better…
A. Do you crack it out and send the bare coin?
or
B. Do you send it in the original TPG holder?
or
C. If you say it depends, please provide commentary.
How about, if you want to REHOLDER, which would maintain the grade and authenticity guarantee, maybe you shouldn't crack it out first ... because then, all bets are off.
If you want a REGRADE, then you have more options.
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I think you're confusing "regrading" with "reholdering".
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Anyone ever had a regrade that resulted in a new Details grade?
If you send in a raw coin, you are (re)grading it, not reholdering it.
Probably
A. If you crack it out, it would be viewed by the TPG as an initial submission - not reholdering.
B. If you send it in the TPG holder, then the TPG would view it as reholder submission.
C. What I believe you are trying to get an answer for is if you are trying for a higher grade, is it better to crack it out or send it in the original holder. This has been discussed many times previously. It depends if you are comfortable taking the risk of cracking it out and it not being straight graded or even at the same grade is was slabbed at originally. If you are confident in the coin and can stomach the risk - I’d rather crack it out. With that said, I would not do it with a high values coin.
If you want a higher grade you send the coin in the holder as is. It’s called reconsideration at PCGS. IF it up grades PCGS removes it and puts it into the new holder.
When crossing over I have had luck cracking coins out first. I had confidence in the coins. If its in the same brand of holder then its probably safer to leave it in holder and send for reconsideration.
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So when sending for crossing over, what is the advantage of cracking the coin out first as opposed to leaving the coin in the competitors slab?
I only do it if confident in the coin itself. I feel that there is no bias that way. If it was in a competitive companies holder there may be some bias although there shouldn't be.
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Because the graders are able to see the coin more clearly. Of course, this can be either good or bad, depending on the coin in question and its previous grade.
There are three options:
1) “Regrade”
2) “Reconsideration”
2) Crack the coin out and submit it out of its holder.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Add to Mark’s list:
4) reholder - the grade will not change but you will get the coin in a new holder and can also get a Trueview if you wish. You do not pay a grading fee for this but it has a nominal cost (and extra for the TV).
There is no such thing as recrossing over
Regrade
Reconsideration
Cross over
It now sounds like you’re asking about a cross over.
If you crack it first then you are “having it graded.”
Various people will have various opinions about cracking first.
If it is properly graded, I’d cross not crack.
If the crossover is at any grade, they are going to crack it out anyways.
My wife and I have some we would like to crossover but the TPG is PCI or ICG or older ANACS slabs. I read on one of the threads that members have had good success with the older ANACS slabs, but the others? I am assuming that NGC slabs have a bit more respect. Thoughts?
PCGS will tell you they grade the coin not holder
You can't go by holders. Most of the best of these have likely already been cracked/crossed, so rating PCI/ICG/ANACS by what's currently still slabbed won't really help.
If you’re asking about “crossover” service as per your above post, I suggest that you change your thread title. Your choice of words has made this thread very confusing.
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the only time I 'reholder' is when I like the grade but need the variety
some slabs may have camera scratches over the coin or tried cleaning slab with acetone and became cloudy ...
people do not like that so pay for a new cover (reholder)
A reholder just send in the old holder and they will reholder it with a new holder.
Hoard the keys.
Thank you! You can sense I am struggling a bit on what to do with these slabbed coins that we have. Looking for some guidance.
what slabbed coins do you have?
I strongly advise you not to crack the coins out of their holders. If you can enjoy them as they are, that would be ideal. If you can’t, either submit them for crossover or sell them and be done with them.
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While it is obviously true that all successful crosses are cracked, graders do not see the raw coins. The decision to cross and the grades to be assigned are made while the coins are still holdered.
The other holder means nothing. What's inside counts.
Lance.
@Herb_T
I wonder if what you are asking is "Is it a better chance for an upgrade if you send it in raw or leave it in the holder." Thus you might think they would be less apt to upgrade because of the holder. Is this more relevant or am I just as confused as you.
Jim
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Based on one of his later posts (copied below) it appears that the OP is asking about crossovers, as opposed to re-grades or grading.
“My wife and I have some we would like to crossover but the TPG is PCI or ICG or older ANACS slabs. I read on one of the threads that members have had good success with the older ANACS slabs, but the others? I am assuming that NGC slabs have a bit more respect. Thoughts?”
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Yes, crossovers….