He didn't give you hardly any time to breathe, and he was coming at you again with those relentless combinations, he just wouldn't give you the ball, Manny Pacquiao was spectacular in his prime.
Terrible what the ref did. I only watched the 4th round and the 1st before writing this ...in the 1st rd the ref tells Hussein to stop with the left forearm jab. In the 4th he is still doing it, and he is constantly holding. I agree he was royally screwed. But did anyone else see Hussein doing the forearm move?
@thisistheshow said:
Terrible what the ref did. I only watched the 4th round and the 1st before writing this ...in the 1st rd the ref tells Hussein to stop with the left forearm jab. In the 4th he is still doing it, and he is constantly holding. I agree he was royally screwed. But did anyone else see Hussein doing the forearm move?
I think Hussein had a history of being a bit of a dirty fighter, I never really followed his career too closely but I seem to recall hearing that.
@thisistheshow said:
Terrible what the ref did. I only watched the 4th round and the 1st before writing this ...in the 1st rd the ref tells Hussein to stop with the left forearm jab. In the 4th he is still doing it, and he is constantly holding. I agree he was royally screwed. But did anyone else see Hussein doing the forearm move?
I think Hussein had a history of being a bit of a dirty fighter, I never really followed his career too closely but I seem to recall hearing that.
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The ref says it in the interview, sounding like it's part of his rationale excuses.
Glad that bad officiating is only limited to boxing. /sarcasm/
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I picked this up the other night, I can't believe it popped up on ebay and that I won it. It is the type 1 original photo used for the image on the cover of a book about the great Benny Leonard, lightweight champion from 1917-1925. If you've never heard of him, look him up sometime, there's plenty of websites about this man. He's one of the top pound for pound boxers in the sport's history, some consider him the greatest lightweight of all-time. He was nicknamed "The ghetto wizard", he prided himself on being able to out think his opponents and many consider him the brainiest boxer to ever lace them up. Ray Arcel, one of the greatest trainers of all time, concurs on Leonard’s ability to out-think his opponents, Ray Arcel once said “Boxing is brains over brawn. I don’t care how much ability you got, if you can’t think, your just another bum in the park. People ask me who’s the greatest boxer I ever saw pound for pound. I hesitate to say, either Benny Leonard or Ray Robinson. But Leonard’s mental energy surpassed anyone else’s.” Benny Leonard always had his hair slicked back, and he took great pride in being able to win a fight without getting his hair messed up. Ruby Goldstein, who was a great young boxing sensation who was supposed to be the "next " Benny Leonard, and became a referee, was the guest speaker at an afternoon boxing forum one time. After his speech on great fighters he saw and knew, a question was posed to him. "Ruby how do you rate Barney Ross, Tony Canzoneri, Kid Chocolate, Billy Petrolle, Jimmy McLarnin, Benny Leonard"? Ruby who was smoking a cigar, quickly took his stogie out of his mouth, raised his hands to end the question and replied,"please sir, do not put any of us in the same sentence with Benny Leonard". The crowd was hushed up by his statement. These were great fighters, but Benny Leonard was on another level. Anyway, here is the photo I won, and the book that the image was used on, I still can't believe I own this photo now, and I got it at a ridiculouly cheap price. This photo was taken of Benny Leonard in 1931 and he was at Stillmans Gym in NYC. Just ignore the yellow thingy across the photo, that's just the name of the seller from the ebay scan, it's not actually on the photo.
A couple of pick ups for today, the one on top is an extremely rare 1910 t-225 Khedival blank back card of Battling Nelson, the one on the bottom is a rare 1900s strip card Siamese variation of Battling Nelson. I love this guy, he went 40 rounds with Ad Wolgast in 1910 in what was the most apocalypse fight in the history of the sport, he had many fights like that, just a guy that would keep coming after you relentlessly, you had to practically kill him to keep him off of you, they called him the "durable dane" for a reason, just ridiculous tenacity and stamina.
Always great stuff DD. How do you store and display your collection?
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@Alfonz24 said:
Always great stuff DD. How do you store and display your collection?
Honestly, I've got so much stuff that I just stick it wherever there's room. This thread doesn't even cover hardly any of the stuff I've got, I've got packages I haven't even opened yet, crap laying around everywhere, my wife gets annoyed by it, she almost tripped over a package the other night!
I'm probably going to rent a storage unit up the street to store some of this stuff, ut's getting dangerous to walk around here, you could sprain an ankle. I'm just obsessed with boxing and boxing collectibles, I find it to be absolutely fascinsting, as a matter of fact I've been working on a deal today, all day long, I won an auction on a french website for a photo of the boxer Peter Kane, the guy could punch very hard, very rare photo, you just don't see stuff like this for him, and I've been trying to pay for this photo all day long but for some reason the seller won't return my message, he lives in Belgium, and I've been trying all day to pay him but he must be asleep or something, so I have to keep checking for his message. Anyway, here's the photo of Peter Kane, a fascinating fighter with scary power, he could really crack!
I picked up this awesome type 1 original photo of Archie Moore, I love the image of him in the corner, he looks like he's ready to pounce on his prey. He was nicknamed the "old mongoose" because he had been in the fight game so long, he fought for four decades, and also because he was very tricky in the ring, it has been said that a mongoose is the only animal a snake cannot catch. This guy was one of the hardest punchers in boxing history, he had record of 185-23, with 131 wins coming by way of knockout. He was a scary guy when he started unloading on you. If I looked across the ring at my opponent and saw Archie Moore standing there, I would be nervous as heck, this guy could crack. He was world light heavyweight champion from 1952-1962, one of the all-time greats.
I picked this one up a while back but wanted to add it to the thread, it's one of my favorite cards of all-time, and I actually sleep beside it, I keep it in a drawer next to my bed. It is the 2010 Ringside Boxing Cut Signature 1/1 card of Kid Gavilan, aka "the Cuban hawk", I love this guy, he had a chin made of pure iron, and always brought major firepower to every fight, one of the first boxers to use the bolo punch, the keed. His accuracy for me is unrivaled among the Welterweights, his long whipping hooks and uppercuts as well as his underrated jab and straight right were deadly accurate and stinging punches. He put them well together into blistering combinations and often used these tremondously speedy combinations at precise times in which to 'steal' a round. An absolute brilliant fighter, and the greatest ever at 147lbs.
knowing the exact day that Gavilan unloaded some ink makes it even more special....................66 years ago and counting
and what's amazing about the old school pugilists is that there was very little downtime in between fights. those guys were not playing around. if you take a look at Gavilan's record, he would often times go 10 rounds with someone and turn right around the very next month and go 10 more with someone else. 143 fights in 15 years............do the math!
knowing the exact day that Gavilan unloaded some ink makes it even more special....................66 years ago and counting
and what's amazing about the old school pugilists is that there was very little downtime in between fights. those guys were not playing around. if you take a look at Gavilan's record, he would often times go 10 rounds with someone and turn right around the very next month and go 10 more with someone else. 143 fights in 15 years............do the math!
Thank you for the kind words, I'm glad you enjoy this thread. Yes, I'm a sucker for the old timers, they were beasts, you just don't see stuff like that these days. I absolutely love this sport, it fascinates me!
knowing the exact day that Gavilan unloaded some ink makes it even more special....................66 years ago and counting
and what's amazing about the old school pugilists is that there was very little downtime in between fights. those guys were not playing around. if you take a look at Gavilan's record, he would often times go 10 rounds with someone and turn right around the very next month and go 10 more with someone else. 143 fights in 15 years............do the math!
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I also truly enjoy this thread. The passion. The history. I have often done a deep dive into the names and stories I find here. This thread is a great launching point for a trip into history. As @galaxy27 said, the frequency of the bouts is astounding. Even more astounding are the details of the fighters lives.
knowing the exact day that Gavilan unloaded some ink makes it even more special....................66 years ago and counting
and what's amazing about the old school pugilists is that there was very little downtime in between fights. those guys were not playing around. if you take a look at Gavilan's record, he would often times go 10 rounds with someone and turn right around the very next month and go 10 more with someone else. 143 fights in 15 years............do the math!
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I also truly enjoy this thread. The passion. The history. I have often done a deep dive into the names and stories I find here. This thread is a great launching point for a trip into history. As @galaxy27 said, the frequency of the bouts is astounding. Even more astounding are the details of the fighters lives.
Look Harry Greb up sometime, fought 45 fights in 1919 and went 45-0, many people consider him to be the greatest pound for pound boxer that ever lived. There's a book about his 1919 campaign called "Smokestack Lightning." He won 262 fights, the only man to hand the great Gene Tunney a loss was Harry Greb. To this day, footage of him in an actual fight has never been discovered, some believe it doesn't exist. There is footage of him training, but not in a fight. People want to see how he handled himself in an actual fight because he is a mythical legend, he beat more hall of famers than anyone, they called him the "Pittsburgh windmill" because he would bury his opponents in an avalanche of non-stop relentless punching. If actual Harry Greb fight footage is ever found, it's worth millions, it is considered to be the holy grail of boxing.
I picked up this awesome type 1 original photo of Emile Griffith, I love the image of him skipping rope in preparation for a fight, the expression in his face is what really makes the photo stand out. He was a beast, an all-time great at welterweight and middleweight, he wasn't particularly great at one thing, but really good at everything, a complete boxer and ring mechanic who had seemingly endless endurance, he was known for being able to go 15 rounds. He had an odd shaped body, thin legs and hips, but had an upper body built like a tree trunk and incredibly strong, a trait that made guys like Sam Langford so dangerous. He was fantastic at being able to make adjustments and win rematches. His most impressive feat to me was when he moved up from welterweight to middleweight and beat the immortal Dick Tiger for the middleweight championship, Griffith outclassed him that night, and even became the first man to floor Tiger. Griffith-Tiger 1 may tax your patience if you arent used to 15 rounders, but this one fight is to this day an underrated and masterful accomplishment for Griffith. Rising from 147 to 150, Griffith was outweighed by 10 lbs by the powerful Tiger, who had, in the past November of '65, regained his precious middleweight title from Joey Giardello, and had fully never intended to lose that title again....but he was both outslicked, outstrengthed at times, and decked for the first time in his career by the welter champ Griffith. If he was fighting today, there's no doubt he would be world champion, in his prime and at his best, he was damn good. Anyway, here is the photo and a highlight video of the great Emile Griffith.
Picked up this type 1 original photo of one of my all-time favorite boxers.
The man pictured sitting down getting his hand taped is none other than the infamous Mike Mccallum, aka "The Body Snatcher", nicknamed for his tendency to punish you with wicked body shots. McCallum had a professional record of 49-5-1 (36 KO). He was never knocked out as a professional, he took the murderous punching Julian Jackson's best shots only to end up coming back and stopping Jackson. When Julian “The Hawk” Jackson challenged Mike “The Body Snatcher” McCallum in 1986 for the latter’s WBA junior middleweight strap, it was more than just a match-up of unbeaten, elite-level prizefighters. It was a meeting between two decisive finishers, with fifty knockouts between them out of a combined fifty-five fights. This meant there wasn’t just pressure not to lose, but also to not be rendered helpless and humiliated in front of the sporting world and end up on the other man’s highlight reel.
And that was especially the case for McCallum. While both men were accustomed to ending bouts inside the distance, it was the Virgin Islands’ Jackson who was considered the more explosive puncher, his concussive power clearly evident in his rise up the ranks. However, despite accumulating a record of 29-0, Jackson had yet to face a truly significant test. In his first title shot, he was taking a significant step up in competition; everyone knew McCallum was a most capable pugilist, one of the best in the game.
But Jackson showed he wasn’t intimidated by the moment, as he immediately attacked at the opening bell, coming forward and throwing a hard right, foregoing any feeling-out process. Immediately the pace ratcheted up, with Jackson unleashing his two-fisted attack. McCallum was caught off-guard but he held his ground and landed some good counters.
That is, until Jackson landed a sharp left hook that wobbled McCallum and forced him to retreat. Jackson immediately pressed, eager to follow-up but McCallum was able to tie his man up and prevent further damage before quickly regaining his senses and landing some shots in return to keep the challenger at bay. The Jamaican McCallum then wisely adjusted his game plan, using more lateral movement and a heavy dose of hard jabs to disrupt the challenger’s offence.
The momentum continued to swing in favour of McCallum, his focus on defense being the main reason. Instead of trading leather, McCallum showed patience, letting the challenger throw so he could counter with precision and thus make the challenger miss and then make him pay. It was specifically the counters to the body that were most effective, as they took the wind out of Jackson’s sails, and provided additional proof for McCallum’s apt “Body Snatcher” nickname. At the end of round one, the raucous crowd at the Miami Beach Convention Centre roared in approval.
The torrid pace continued in the second, with the fighters exchanging bombs at close quarters, and it was only a matter of time before a truly damaging shot landed. That punch came courtesy of a McCallum left hook after a lead right, which caught Jackson on the chin and put him on one knee. Although “The Hawk” rose immediately, McCallum moved in with bad intentions.
A left hook-right hand combination forced Jackson to the ropes, where the champ unleashed a vicious assault. McCallum landed a series of damaging blows including overhand rights, left hooks, and a number of well-timed and placed body shots. While Jackson tried to land one of his haymakers between McCallum’s bursts, he wasn’t successful, and the missed attempts only allowed more clean punches to get through. With the challenger keeping his guard up in an effort to protect his head, the champion wisely focused his efforts on the rib cage, on which he detonated a series of crushing hooks.
Sensing the finish, McCallum continued his pursuit, battering Jackson around the ring. The final sequence came after the champion landed a left hook that wobbled the challenger and sent him stumbling to the ropes. McCallum then fired off a series of shots which knocked Jackson’s head around on a swivel and forced the ref to rightfully intervene and wave off the contest. Jackson immediately raised his arms in protest, but it was the right move. The beating was only getting worse and no one needed to see the challenger pummeled into total helplessness.
McCallum not only emphatically proved superiority over Jackson on that night but the same can be said about their careers at large. Although Jackson would rebound well from the loss, beating Baek In Chul for the WBA title that McCallum had vacated and making three impressive defenses, he would lose the two biggest fights of his career, suffering stoppages on both occasions by Gerald McClellan.
Meanwhile, McCallum would go on to defend his 154 pound title three more times, including standout wins over Milton McCrory and Donald Curry. He would only suffer his first loss in his middleweight debut, losing in a WBA title bid to the wily veteran Sumbu Kalambay. Following that defeat, he regrouped and beat Herol Graham for a middleweight belt and defended against solid opposition in Steve Collins, Michael Watson, and avenged his loss to Kalambay in a rematch. A past prime McCallum would also claim a light heavyweight title and give the great James Toney all he could handle over the course of their trilogy before all was said and done, and the great James Toney had this to say about McCallum:
Best fighter I ever faced: "Mike McCallum — That’s an easy choice, right off the top of my head it’s the Body Snatcher. He was the best fighter I fought at middleweight, super middleweight and cruiserweight. Out of all the fighters I fought, I respect him the most because he made me think about everything I tried to do. Before McCallum I was just runnin’ in on everyone, but he made me slow down and think for the first time."
Best Boxer I ever faced: "McCallum — Yup, it’s him again. It’s between McCallum and Michael Nunn, but I gotta go with McCallum because he was a master boxer who wasn’t afraid to stand his ground."
A past prime McCallum also lost to the great Roy Jones Jr, going the distance with him but Roy Jones was very cautious against McCallum and had tremendous respect for the legendary McCallum.
It’s a travesty that McCallum is such a criminally underrated fighter, he took on all comers and bested some elite talents in his remarkable career. And near the top of his long list of impressive showings is his brutal knockout of Julian Jackson, when he vanquished a foe regarded as one of the hardest punchers of all-time, Mike McCallum is a true all-time great.
Hmm, I just picjed up this awesome type 1 original photo of one of the all-time great lightweights, Beau Jack. I love this photo, it was the image used for his appearance on the cover of Ring magazine in 1943. He is one of my favorite boxers in the history of the sport, here's a fantasy matchup of Beau Jack vs Floyd Mayweather, fun stuff!
Beau Jack vs Floyd Mayweather:
"One way to beat a guy like Mayweather is with unceasing pressure. Its hard for a slick guy like Mayweather to execute all those moves he does if a guy is in his chest. More to the point, if a guy is in his chest, the moves are worthless. Getting in a guy's chest is what Jack was all about. That's what he did. It was all pressure and non-stop punches and brute strength. That's what got him more main event fights in Madison Square Garden than any fighter in history, including Joe Louis. If you were going to beat Jack, you had to be stronger and tougher than he was - that's why Jack couldn't do anything with Ike Williams - and it would help if you could back him up once in a while. Mayweather wasn't stronger than Jack was, he isn't tougher, and he couldn't make Jack back-up if he hit him with the ring stool. This one isn't hard; Jack by lopsided decision." (Ring magazine, April 2004, "Mayweather vs. The All-Time Greats").
I picked this 1922 original type 1 photo up today. The man pictured here is named Ever Hammer, and his last name is very fitting, because he had a "damn the torpedoes" style of fighting, in which he would charge right at you and throw everything and the kitchen sink, pounding on you mercilessly. He often got whooped himself, but not before leaving his opponent with a long lasting memory of their encounter. I love guys with that style of fighting, they aren't necessarily the best boxers, but you fear them because of their sheer viciousness and aggression, the "Nebraska Wildcat" Ace Hudkins was the same way, as soon as the bell rang he would just try to tear you apart.
"I don’t have to think twice about the man who gave me my hardest fight. As long as I live I will never forget the licking I received at the hands of Ever Hammer. He made me wish I had never laced a glove on my hands.” -Benny Leonard
I want to go on record as being the one who owns this, it is the type 1 original photo of Smokin' Joe Frazier at the Tokyo Olympics in 1964. What makes this photo a true treasure is that it was used to make his 1964 Bobbie Bubble Gum Tokio Olympics rookie card, a card that routinely sells for thousands in high grade, and is one of the most famous and well known cards in the hobby. This photo pisses on that card, and I can't believe I now own it. Smokin' Joe Frazier is one of my all-time favorite boxers, I think everyone knows who he is, one of the only men to hand Muhammad Ali a loss, went life and death with him in the ring. I've always loved Joe Frazier's style, he was nicknamed Smokin' because once he got going and caught fire it was like he was smokin', and he seemed to get stronger as a fight went on. He was “Smokin” Joe Frazier and smoke is what he did in the ring. If a fighter's nickname empowers him, then “Smokin" Joe's did just that. He didn't move, slip, and slide. He came forward like a live locomotive - ducking and punching with violent artistry. His left hook was absolutely vicious, and you did not want to get caught flush by it. His style was non-stop constant in your face pressure and relentless attack, he would be all over you like a rash and he would let you know very quickly if you didn't belong in the ring with him. Absolute legend!
@doubledragon said:
I want to go on record as being the one who owns this, it is the type 1 original photo of Smokin' Joe Frazier at the Tokyo Olympics in 1964. What makes this photo a true treasure is that it was used to make his 1964 Bobbie Bubble Gum Tokio Olympics rookie card, a card that routinely sells for thousands in high grade, and is one of the most famous and well known cards in the hobby. This photo pisses on that card, and I can't believe I now own it. Smokin' Joe Frazier is one of my all-time favorite boxers, I think everyone knows who he is, one of the only men to hand Muhammad Ali a loss, went life and death with him in the ring. I've always loved Joe Frazier's style, he was nicknamed Smokin' because once he got going and caught fire it was like he was smokin', and he seemed to get stronger as a fight went on. He was “Smokin” Joe Frazier and smoke is what he did in the ring. If a fighter's nickname empowers him, then “Smokin" Joe's did just that. He didn't move, slip, and slide. He came forward like a live locomotive - ducking and punching with violent artistry. His left hook was absolutely vicious, and you did not want to get caught flush by it. His style was non-stop constant in your face pressure and relentless attack, he would be all over you like a rash and he would let you know very quickly if you didn't belong in the ring with him. Absolute legend!
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Does anyone remember seeing (I guess they still exist) car decals with ideas like Chevy peeing on Ford. I won't elaborate, but I'm sure somebody knows. That's what I thought of when I read "this photo pisses on that card". I'm thinking DD should get that custom made for his car. 🤣
hold upsecond thought. Terrible idea. Don't do it. It would be easily misinterpreted. 🤔🤷
@doubledragon said:
I want to go on record as being the one who owns this, it is the type 1 original photo of Smokin' Joe Frazier at the Tokyo Olympics in 1964. What makes this photo a true treasure is that it was used to make his 1964 Bobbie Bubble Gum Tokio Olympics rookie card, a card that routinely sells for thousands in high grade, and is one of the most famous and well known cards in the hobby. This photo pisses on that card, and I can't believe I now own it. Smokin' Joe Frazier is one of my all-time favorite boxers, I think everyone knows who he is, one of the only men to hand Muhammad Ali a loss, went life and death with him in the ring. I've always loved Joe Frazier's style, he was nicknamed Smokin' because once he got going and caught fire it was like he was smokin', and he seemed to get stronger as a fight went on. He was “Smokin” Joe Frazier and smoke is what he did in the ring. If a fighter's nickname empowers him, then “Smokin" Joe's did just that. He didn't move, slip, and slide. He came forward like a live locomotive - ducking and punching with violent artistry. His left hook was absolutely vicious, and you did not want to get caught flush by it. His style was non-stop constant in your face pressure and relentless attack, he would be all over you like a rash and he would let you know very quickly if you didn't belong in the ring with him. Absolute legend!
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Does anyone remember seeing (I guess they still exist) car decals with ideas like Chevy peeing on Ford. I won't elaborate, but I'm sure somebody knows. That's what I thought of when I read "this photo pisses on that card". I'm thinking DD should get that custom made for his car. 🤣
hold upsecond thought. Terrible idea. Don't do it. It would be easily misinterpreted. 🤔🤷
I'll admit, my wording was a little extreme. I guess it comes from years of watching ebay sellers jack up the price of Frazier's rookie card, for no other purpose other than outright greed, and the prices going too high for a peasant like me to afford. Well guess what, I no longer need his rookie card, for I was able to obtain the original type 1 photo of the image used on his rookie card. Ha!
@galaxy27 said:
playing catch-up with this magnificent thread
double d's write-ups are arguably as impressive as the items themselves
dude you are like the bert sugar of sports talk
Thank you buddy, I know I've said it before, but I absolutely love the sport, it fascinates me to no end. I'm glad you guys enjoy my posts, I truly am passionate about it and I appreciate the kind words. 🖒
It is like a J Peterman catalog with the boxing items and descriptions.
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Here is Floyd Mayweather wearing an Urban Sombrero
#LetsGoSwitzerlandThe Man Who Does Not Read Has No Advantage Over the Man Who Cannot Read. The biggest obstacle to progress is a habit of “buying what we want and begging for what we need.”You get the Freedom you fight for and get the Oppression you deserve.
@Alfonz24 said:
Here is Floyd Mayweather wearing an Urban Sombrero
I believe that was from when Mayweather fought De La Hoya, I thought De La Hoya got robbed in that fight, De La Hoya was all over Mayweather like a cheap suit, Mayweather was fighting on De La Hoya's terms that night. In my opinion De La Hoya won the fight on sheer aggression, but Mayweather got the split decision.
@hjr said:
Can anyone identify this card? It was given to me with a box of misc. trading cards. It has a blank back. THANK YOU!
Very interesting card, I've seen pretty much every Joe Louis card that has ever been made, but I've never seen that one before. I have seen that image used on one of his cards, the 1995 Starting Lineup card, it came in a package with a toy figure of Louis, but I don't know if it has any connection to that. Sorry I can't be of more help.
@hjr said:
Can anyone identify this card? It was given to me with a box of misc. trading cards. It has a blank back. THANK YOU!
Very interesting card, I've seen pretty much every Joe Louis card that has ever been made, but I've never seen that one before. I have seen that image used on one of his cards, the 1995 Starting Lineup card, it came in a package with a toy figure of Louis, but I don't know if it has any connection to that. Sorry I can't be of more help.
@hjr said:
Can anyone identify this card? It was given to me with a box of misc. trading cards. It has a blank back. THANK YOU!
Very interesting card, I've seen pretty much every Joe Louis card that has ever been made, but I've never seen that one before. I have seen that image used on one of his cards, the 1995 Starting Lineup card, it came in a package with a toy figure of Louis, but I don't know if it has any connection to that. Sorry I can't be of more help.
Thank you for responding.
You're welcome. I'm constantly on the lookout for information about boxing cards, so if I run across anything about your card I'll be sure to let you know.
This puppy didn't come cheap, but I do not care, if you want the best you must pay. You're looking at the 2016 Allen and Ginter Magenta printing plate 1/1 of boxer Gennady Golovkin, aka GGG, aka the "God of War." This printing plate was used by Topps Allen and Ginter to produce his 2016 Allen and Ginter card. Printing plates come in four different colors, Black, Yellow, Magenta, and Cyan, the Magenta is my favorite color of the four, so I could not resist. It has been professionally graded by SGC and received a grade of 9, which is ridiculously good considering these plates are used to make the cards and usually take a pretty good beating in that process. I'm pumped up about this, I consider this to be my personal holy grail for GGG, a legendary middleweight with one of the all-time greatest chins in the history of the sport, he's never been off his feet, never. I really don't know what to say about him, he's one of the greatest middleweight's to ever live, right up there with "Marvelous" Marvin Hagler and Bernard "The Executioner" Hopkins, I can't even remember how many title defenses he made, I lost count, he got robbed against Canelo Alvarez twice, two of the biggest disgraces in the history of the sport of boxing. He fought Canelo a third time this past September, but it's clear that GGG is past his prime, he's 40 years old now and needs to call it a day, he's got nothing left to prove, first ballot Hall of Famer. In his prime he could do it all, he had scary knockout power, beautiful uppercut, solid defense, lethal jab, and agonizing body shots, nobody ever beat him when he was at his best, and he reigned over the middleweight division with an iron fist. Love this guy, I'm pumped up about this purchase!
Picked up this type 1 original photo of Sugar Ray Robinson, who many people, including myself, consider to be the greatest to ever do it. To get a good idea of what Robinson was capable of at his best, you must watch the St. Valentines Day Massacre, Robinson vs Lamotta VI, it is the greatest performance by a boxer that I have ever seen inside a ring. On this night, the raging bull threw everything and the kitchen sink at his opponent, but he could not stop the machine that was Robinson. I've said it before and I'll say it again, no middleweight in history beats St. Valentines Day Robinson, the explosive flurries, the speed, the cutting power of his punches, he was ripping off hooks in combinations of three and four at a time, the relentless determination, I couldn't imagine having to face Robby that night. When Robinson was on his game, his violence inside the ring was a thing of beauty.
No doubt about it, love both of guys, tough as nails! Irish Micky Ward is my favorite body puncher of all-time, I'll never forget the look of agony on Arturo Gatti's face as Micky sent him to one knee with a shot to the body. For anyone who wants to see a master at work, here's a "routes to the body" video.
Picked up this original type 1 photo of legendary boxer Bob Foster, nicknamed "The Deputy Sheriff" because in real life he was a sheriff's deputy in I believe New Mexico. This guy ruled the light heavyweight division with an iron fist in the late 60s and 70s. If you've never heard of Bob Foster then you don't know boxing, he was an intimidating guy, tall and lanky, almost like a deformed version of Tommy Hearns, he had a frightening gaze and a deep baritone voice, one of the hardest punchers I've ever seen in my life, and he was responsible for some of the most terrifying knockouts in boxing history. No one punched like Bob Foster.
I just picked up this awesome original type 1 photo of "Prince" Naseem Hamed, one of my all-time favorite boxers, and a legendary featherweight. This guy was absolutely electric, he could hypnotize you with the things he did in the ring, I love this photo because when he got into a groove, you couldn't talk to him, he was unresponsive, all you could do was sit back and watch him do his thing, it was like he was in a trance. He had superb knockout power, but his defense was something to behold, he was nearly impossible to hit cleanly.
I just picked up this type 1 original photo of Ike Williams, this is my personal holy grail for him, I never thought I would find this item and low and behold it popped up on ebay. This is the original photo that was used to make his "Slug" Williams exhibit card. He is one of my all-time favorite fighters, he was a devastating puncher, his power shots could literally slash your face open. If you get a chance, watch his fight with Beau Jack on YouTube, how it ended, that's the kind of savagery he was capable of.
Also picked up this 2010 Ringside Boxing Logo 1/1 card of "Gentleman" Gerry Cooney. He's one of the hardest punchers in boxing history, and I love guys that punch you in the body, and he could really rip some vicious hooks to the body. Here is a video of his body shots.
I find this interesting @doubledragon that you bring up Cooney. Probably not interesting to anyone else, but just to me. I was six years old when he fought Holmes. But I remember that time.
I've spoken before about how my Dad died when I was five. He really liked boxing and had done some golden glove boxing himself. I watched with him. That is where I get my connection to Hagler. Anyway,.. it's ingrained in my mind, the memory of seeing Cooney being labelled as "the great white hope". I know his story. I'm still a Gerry Cooney fan in the boxing world.
@thisistheshow said:
I find this interesting @doubledragon that you bring up Cooney. Probably not interesting to anyone else, but just to me. I was six years old when he fought Holmes. But I remember that time.
I've spoken before about how my Dad died when I was five. He really liked boxing and had done some golden glove boxing himself. I watched with him. That is where I get my connection to Hagler. Anyway,.. it's ingrained in my mind, the memory of seeing Cooney being labelled as "the great white hope". I know his story. I'm still a Gerry Cooney fan in the boxing world.
I've always been fascinated with guys that work the body, I've had rib injuries multiple times in my life and I can testify that they are ridiculously painful, it hurts when you move, it hurts when you breathe, and it's impossible to sleep on your injured side. I can't imagine getting hit by a Cooney left hook to the body, it was a thing of pure beauty. Cooney had his problems in life, his drug addiction, he could have went a lot further but he did pretty darn good considering. Boxing and personal life can be a tough balancing act.
@thisistheshow said:
I find this interesting @doubledragon that you bring up Cooney. Probably not interesting to anyone else, but just to me. I was six years old when he fought Holmes. But I remember that time.
I've spoken before about how my Dad died when I was five. He really liked boxing and had done some golden glove boxing himself. I watched with him. That is where I get my connection to Hagler. Anyway,.. it's ingrained in my mind, the memory of seeing Cooney being labelled as "the great white hope". I know his story. I'm still a Gerry Cooney fan in the boxing world.
I've always been fascinated with guys that work the body, I've had rib injuries multiple times in my life and I can testify that they are ridiculously painful, it hurts when you move, it hurts when you breathe, and it's impossible to sleep on your injured side. I can't imagine getting hit by a Cooney left hook to the body, it was a thing of pure beauty. Cooney had his problems in life, his drug addiction, he could have went a lot further but he did pretty darn good considering. Boxing and personal life can be a tough balancing act.
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You know,⁴ I'm sure, but I'll say for anyone's interest, that Cooney was naturally a southpaw. However, he fought orthodox. As a result, he never had the power in his right, but his left was considered one of the best. I think this might be where the idea of him inordinately hitting to the body came from. If your jab or offhand hook to the body is like that, you are going to throw it a d throw it a lot.
@thisistheshow said:
I find this interesting @doubledragon that you bring up Cooney. Probably not interesting to anyone else, but just to me. I was six years old when he fought Holmes. But I remember that time.
I've spoken before about how my Dad died when I was five. He really liked boxing and had done some golden glove boxing himself. I watched with him. That is where I get my connection to Hagler. Anyway,.. it's ingrained in my mind, the memory of seeing Cooney being labelled as "the great white hope". I know his story. I'm still a Gerry Cooney fan in the boxing world.
I've always been fascinated with guys that work the body, I've had rib injuries multiple times in my life and I can testify that they are ridiculously painful, it hurts when you move, it hurts when you breathe, and it's impossible to sleep on your injured side. I can't imagine getting hit by a Cooney left hook to the body, it was a thing of pure beauty. Cooney had his problems in life, his drug addiction, he could have went a lot further but he did pretty darn good considering. Boxing and personal life can be a tough balancing act.
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You know,⁴ I'm sure, but I'll say for anyone's interest, that Cooney was naturally a southpaw. However, he fought orthodox. As a result, he never had the power in his right, but his left was considered one of the best. I think this might be where the idea of him inordinately hitting to the body came from. If your jab or offhand hook to the body is like that, you are going to throw it a d throw it a lot.
Well said, Cooney could crack to, he's listed on Ring magazine's list of 100 greatest punchers. I plan on reading his autobiography soon, when I get a chance.
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He didn't give you hardly any time to breathe, and he was coming at you again with those relentless combinations, he just wouldn't give you the ball, Manny Pacquiao was spectacular in his prime.
Terrible what the ref did. I only watched the 4th round and the 1st before writing this ...in the 1st rd the ref tells Hussein to stop with the left forearm jab. In the 4th he is still doing it, and he is constantly holding. I agree he was royally screwed. But did anyone else see Hussein doing the forearm move?
I think Hussein had a history of being a bit of a dirty fighter, I never really followed his career too closely but I seem to recall hearing that.
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The ref says it in the interview, sounding like it's part of his rationale excuses.
Glad that bad officiating is only limited to boxing. /sarcasm/
I picked this up the other night, I can't believe it popped up on ebay and that I won it. It is the type 1 original photo used for the image on the cover of a book about the great Benny Leonard, lightweight champion from 1917-1925. If you've never heard of him, look him up sometime, there's plenty of websites about this man. He's one of the top pound for pound boxers in the sport's history, some consider him the greatest lightweight of all-time. He was nicknamed "The ghetto wizard", he prided himself on being able to out think his opponents and many consider him the brainiest boxer to ever lace them up. Ray Arcel, one of the greatest trainers of all time, concurs on Leonard’s ability to out-think his opponents, Ray Arcel once said “Boxing is brains over brawn. I don’t care how much ability you got, if you can’t think, your just another bum in the park. People ask me who’s the greatest boxer I ever saw pound for pound. I hesitate to say, either Benny Leonard or Ray Robinson. But Leonard’s mental energy surpassed anyone else’s.” Benny Leonard always had his hair slicked back, and he took great pride in being able to win a fight without getting his hair messed up. Ruby Goldstein, who was a great young boxing sensation who was supposed to be the "next " Benny Leonard, and became a referee, was the guest speaker at an afternoon boxing forum one time. After his speech on great fighters he saw and knew, a question was posed to him. "Ruby how do you rate Barney Ross, Tony Canzoneri, Kid Chocolate, Billy Petrolle, Jimmy McLarnin, Benny Leonard"? Ruby who was smoking a cigar, quickly took his stogie out of his mouth, raised his hands to end the question and replied,"please sir, do not put any of us in the same sentence with Benny Leonard". The crowd was hushed up by his statement. These were great fighters, but Benny Leonard was on another level. Anyway, here is the photo I won, and the book that the image was used on, I still can't believe I own this photo now, and I got it at a ridiculouly cheap price. This photo was taken of Benny Leonard in 1931 and he was at Stillmans Gym in NYC. Just ignore the yellow thingy across the photo, that's just the name of the seller from the ebay scan, it's not actually on the photo.
Great sport.
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You have a great avatar.
ETA: Great sport and great thread.
2nd edit: I just realized....that's a lotta greats. LOL
A couple of pick ups for today, the one on top is an extremely rare 1910 t-225 Khedival blank back card of Battling Nelson, the one on the bottom is a rare 1900s strip card Siamese variation of Battling Nelson. I love this guy, he went 40 rounds with Ad Wolgast in 1910 in what was the most apocalypse fight in the history of the sport, he had many fights like that, just a guy that would keep coming after you relentlessly, you had to practically kill him to keep him off of you, they called him the "durable dane" for a reason, just ridiculous tenacity and stamina.
Always great stuff DD. How do you store and display your collection?
Honestly, I've got so much stuff that I just stick it wherever there's room. This thread doesn't even cover hardly any of the stuff I've got, I've got packages I haven't even opened yet, crap laying around everywhere, my wife gets annoyed by it, she almost tripped over a package the other night!
I'm probably going to rent a storage unit up the street to store some of this stuff, ut's getting dangerous to walk around here, you could sprain an ankle. I'm just obsessed with boxing and boxing collectibles, I find it to be absolutely fascinsting, as a matter of fact I've been working on a deal today, all day long, I won an auction on a french website for a photo of the boxer Peter Kane, the guy could punch very hard, very rare photo, you just don't see stuff like this for him, and I've been trying to pay for this photo all day long but for some reason the seller won't return my message, he lives in Belgium, and I've been trying all day to pay him but he must be asleep or something, so I have to keep checking for his message. Anyway, here's the photo of Peter Kane, a fascinating fighter with scary power, he could really crack!
I picked up this awesome type 1 original photo of Archie Moore, I love the image of him in the corner, he looks like he's ready to pounce on his prey. He was nicknamed the "old mongoose" because he had been in the fight game so long, he fought for four decades, and also because he was very tricky in the ring, it has been said that a mongoose is the only animal a snake cannot catch. This guy was one of the hardest punchers in boxing history, he had record of 185-23, with 131 wins coming by way of knockout. He was a scary guy when he started unloading on you. If I looked across the ring at my opponent and saw Archie Moore standing there, I would be nervous as heck, this guy could crack. He was world light heavyweight champion from 1952-1962, one of the all-time greats.
I picked this one up a while back but wanted to add it to the thread, it's one of my favorite cards of all-time, and I actually sleep beside it, I keep it in a drawer next to my bed. It is the 2010 Ringside Boxing Cut Signature 1/1 card of Kid Gavilan, aka "the Cuban hawk", I love this guy, he had a chin made of pure iron, and always brought major firepower to every fight, one of the first boxers to use the bolo punch, the keed. His accuracy for me is unrivaled among the Welterweights, his long whipping hooks and uppercuts as well as his underrated jab and straight right were deadly accurate and stinging punches. He put them well together into blistering combinations and often used these tremondously speedy combinations at precise times in which to 'steal' a round. An absolute brilliant fighter, and the greatest ever at 147lbs.
one of my fav threads
i love the detail that goes into every post
and of course the items themselves are so sweet
knowing the exact day that Gavilan unloaded some ink makes it even more special....................66 years ago and counting
and what's amazing about the old school pugilists is that there was very little downtime in between fights. those guys were not playing around. if you take a look at Gavilan's record, he would often times go 10 rounds with someone and turn right around the very next month and go 10 more with someone else. 143 fights in 15 years............do the math!
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
Thank you for the kind words, I'm glad you enjoy this thread. Yes, I'm a sucker for the old timers, they were beasts, you just don't see stuff like that these days. I absolutely love this sport, it fascinates me!
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I also truly enjoy this thread. The passion. The history. I have often done a deep dive into the names and stories I find here. This thread is a great launching point for a trip into history. As @galaxy27 said, the frequency of the bouts is astounding. Even more astounding are the details of the fighters lives.
Look Harry Greb up sometime, fought 45 fights in 1919 and went 45-0, many people consider him to be the greatest pound for pound boxer that ever lived. There's a book about his 1919 campaign called "Smokestack Lightning." He won 262 fights, the only man to hand the great Gene Tunney a loss was Harry Greb. To this day, footage of him in an actual fight has never been discovered, some believe it doesn't exist. There is footage of him training, but not in a fight. People want to see how he handled himself in an actual fight because he is a mythical legend, he beat more hall of famers than anyone, they called him the "Pittsburgh windmill" because he would bury his opponents in an avalanche of non-stop relentless punching. If actual Harry Greb fight footage is ever found, it's worth millions, it is considered to be the holy grail of boxing.
I picked up this awesome type 1 original photo of Emile Griffith, I love the image of him skipping rope in preparation for a fight, the expression in his face is what really makes the photo stand out. He was a beast, an all-time great at welterweight and middleweight, he wasn't particularly great at one thing, but really good at everything, a complete boxer and ring mechanic who had seemingly endless endurance, he was known for being able to go 15 rounds. He had an odd shaped body, thin legs and hips, but had an upper body built like a tree trunk and incredibly strong, a trait that made guys like Sam Langford so dangerous. He was fantastic at being able to make adjustments and win rematches. His most impressive feat to me was when he moved up from welterweight to middleweight and beat the immortal Dick Tiger for the middleweight championship, Griffith outclassed him that night, and even became the first man to floor Tiger. Griffith-Tiger 1 may tax your patience if you arent used to 15 rounders, but this one fight is to this day an underrated and masterful accomplishment for Griffith. Rising from 147 to 150, Griffith was outweighed by 10 lbs by the powerful Tiger, who had, in the past November of '65, regained his precious middleweight title from Joey Giardello, and had fully never intended to lose that title again....but he was both outslicked, outstrengthed at times, and decked for the first time in his career by the welter champ Griffith. If he was fighting today, there's no doubt he would be world champion, in his prime and at his best, he was damn good. Anyway, here is the photo and a highlight video of the great Emile Griffith.
Picked up this type 1 original photo of one of my all-time favorite boxers.
The man pictured sitting down getting his hand taped is none other than the infamous Mike Mccallum, aka "The Body Snatcher", nicknamed for his tendency to punish you with wicked body shots. McCallum had a professional record of 49-5-1 (36 KO). He was never knocked out as a professional, he took the murderous punching Julian Jackson's best shots only to end up coming back and stopping Jackson. When Julian “The Hawk” Jackson challenged Mike “The Body Snatcher” McCallum in 1986 for the latter’s WBA junior middleweight strap, it was more than just a match-up of unbeaten, elite-level prizefighters. It was a meeting between two decisive finishers, with fifty knockouts between them out of a combined fifty-five fights. This meant there wasn’t just pressure not to lose, but also to not be rendered helpless and humiliated in front of the sporting world and end up on the other man’s highlight reel.
And that was especially the case for McCallum. While both men were accustomed to ending bouts inside the distance, it was the Virgin Islands’ Jackson who was considered the more explosive puncher, his concussive power clearly evident in his rise up the ranks. However, despite accumulating a record of 29-0, Jackson had yet to face a truly significant test. In his first title shot, he was taking a significant step up in competition; everyone knew McCallum was a most capable pugilist, one of the best in the game.
But Jackson showed he wasn’t intimidated by the moment, as he immediately attacked at the opening bell, coming forward and throwing a hard right, foregoing any feeling-out process. Immediately the pace ratcheted up, with Jackson unleashing his two-fisted attack. McCallum was caught off-guard but he held his ground and landed some good counters.
That is, until Jackson landed a sharp left hook that wobbled McCallum and forced him to retreat. Jackson immediately pressed, eager to follow-up but McCallum was able to tie his man up and prevent further damage before quickly regaining his senses and landing some shots in return to keep the challenger at bay. The Jamaican McCallum then wisely adjusted his game plan, using more lateral movement and a heavy dose of hard jabs to disrupt the challenger’s offence.
The momentum continued to swing in favour of McCallum, his focus on defense being the main reason. Instead of trading leather, McCallum showed patience, letting the challenger throw so he could counter with precision and thus make the challenger miss and then make him pay. It was specifically the counters to the body that were most effective, as they took the wind out of Jackson’s sails, and provided additional proof for McCallum’s apt “Body Snatcher” nickname. At the end of round one, the raucous crowd at the Miami Beach Convention Centre roared in approval.
The torrid pace continued in the second, with the fighters exchanging bombs at close quarters, and it was only a matter of time before a truly damaging shot landed. That punch came courtesy of a McCallum left hook after a lead right, which caught Jackson on the chin and put him on one knee. Although “The Hawk” rose immediately, McCallum moved in with bad intentions.
A left hook-right hand combination forced Jackson to the ropes, where the champ unleashed a vicious assault. McCallum landed a series of damaging blows including overhand rights, left hooks, and a number of well-timed and placed body shots. While Jackson tried to land one of his haymakers between McCallum’s bursts, he wasn’t successful, and the missed attempts only allowed more clean punches to get through. With the challenger keeping his guard up in an effort to protect his head, the champion wisely focused his efforts on the rib cage, on which he detonated a series of crushing hooks.
Sensing the finish, McCallum continued his pursuit, battering Jackson around the ring. The final sequence came after the champion landed a left hook that wobbled the challenger and sent him stumbling to the ropes. McCallum then fired off a series of shots which knocked Jackson’s head around on a swivel and forced the ref to rightfully intervene and wave off the contest. Jackson immediately raised his arms in protest, but it was the right move. The beating was only getting worse and no one needed to see the challenger pummeled into total helplessness.
McCallum not only emphatically proved superiority over Jackson on that night but the same can be said about their careers at large. Although Jackson would rebound well from the loss, beating Baek In Chul for the WBA title that McCallum had vacated and making three impressive defenses, he would lose the two biggest fights of his career, suffering stoppages on both occasions by Gerald McClellan.
Meanwhile, McCallum would go on to defend his 154 pound title three more times, including standout wins over Milton McCrory and Donald Curry. He would only suffer his first loss in his middleweight debut, losing in a WBA title bid to the wily veteran Sumbu Kalambay. Following that defeat, he regrouped and beat Herol Graham for a middleweight belt and defended against solid opposition in Steve Collins, Michael Watson, and avenged his loss to Kalambay in a rematch. A past prime McCallum would also claim a light heavyweight title and give the great James Toney all he could handle over the course of their trilogy before all was said and done, and the great James Toney had this to say about McCallum:
Best fighter I ever faced: "Mike McCallum — That’s an easy choice, right off the top of my head it’s the Body Snatcher. He was the best fighter I fought at middleweight, super middleweight and cruiserweight. Out of all the fighters I fought, I respect him the most because he made me think about everything I tried to do. Before McCallum I was just runnin’ in on everyone, but he made me slow down and think for the first time."
Best Boxer I ever faced: "McCallum — Yup, it’s him again. It’s between McCallum and Michael Nunn, but I gotta go with McCallum because he was a master boxer who wasn’t afraid to stand his ground."
A past prime McCallum also lost to the great Roy Jones Jr, going the distance with him but Roy Jones was very cautious against McCallum and had tremendous respect for the legendary McCallum.
It’s a travesty that McCallum is such a criminally underrated fighter, he took on all comers and bested some elite talents in his remarkable career. And near the top of his long list of impressive showings is his brutal knockout of Julian Jackson, when he vanquished a foe regarded as one of the hardest punchers of all-time, Mike McCallum is a true all-time great.
Hmm, I just picjed up this awesome type 1 original photo of one of the all-time great lightweights, Beau Jack. I love this photo, it was the image used for his appearance on the cover of Ring magazine in 1943. He is one of my favorite boxers in the history of the sport, here's a fantasy matchup of Beau Jack vs Floyd Mayweather, fun stuff!
Beau Jack vs Floyd Mayweather:
"One way to beat a guy like Mayweather is with unceasing pressure. Its hard for a slick guy like Mayweather to execute all those moves he does if a guy is in his chest. More to the point, if a guy is in his chest, the moves are worthless. Getting in a guy's chest is what Jack was all about. That's what he did. It was all pressure and non-stop punches and brute strength. That's what got him more main event fights in Madison Square Garden than any fighter in history, including Joe Louis. If you were going to beat Jack, you had to be stronger and tougher than he was - that's why Jack couldn't do anything with Ike Williams - and it would help if you could back him up once in a while. Mayweather wasn't stronger than Jack was, he isn't tougher, and he couldn't make Jack back-up if he hit him with the ring stool. This one isn't hard; Jack by lopsided decision." (Ring magazine, April 2004, "Mayweather vs. The All-Time Greats").
Fascinating.
I picked this 1922 original type 1 photo up today. The man pictured here is named Ever Hammer, and his last name is very fitting, because he had a "damn the torpedoes" style of fighting, in which he would charge right at you and throw everything and the kitchen sink, pounding on you mercilessly. He often got whooped himself, but not before leaving his opponent with a long lasting memory of their encounter. I love guys with that style of fighting, they aren't necessarily the best boxers, but you fear them because of their sheer viciousness and aggression, the "Nebraska Wildcat" Ace Hudkins was the same way, as soon as the bell rang he would just try to tear you apart.
"I don’t have to think twice about the man who gave me my hardest fight. As long as I live I will never forget the licking I received at the hands of Ever Hammer. He made me wish I had never laced a glove on my hands.” -Benny Leonard
I want to go on record as being the one who owns this, it is the type 1 original photo of Smokin' Joe Frazier at the Tokyo Olympics in 1964. What makes this photo a true treasure is that it was used to make his 1964 Bobbie Bubble Gum Tokio Olympics rookie card, a card that routinely sells for thousands in high grade, and is one of the most famous and well known cards in the hobby. This photo pisses on that card, and I can't believe I now own it. Smokin' Joe Frazier is one of my all-time favorite boxers, I think everyone knows who he is, one of the only men to hand Muhammad Ali a loss, went life and death with him in the ring. I've always loved Joe Frazier's style, he was nicknamed Smokin' because once he got going and caught fire it was like he was smokin', and he seemed to get stronger as a fight went on. He was “Smokin” Joe Frazier and smoke is what he did in the ring. If a fighter's nickname empowers him, then “Smokin" Joe's did just that. He didn't move, slip, and slide. He came forward like a live locomotive - ducking and punching with violent artistry. His left hook was absolutely vicious, and you did not want to get caught flush by it. His style was non-stop constant in your face pressure and relentless attack, he would be all over you like a rash and he would let you know very quickly if you didn't belong in the ring with him. Absolute legend!
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Does anyone remember seeing (I guess they still exist) car decals with ideas like Chevy peeing on Ford. I won't elaborate, but I'm sure somebody knows. That's what I thought of when I read "this photo pisses on that card". I'm thinking DD should get that custom made for his car. 🤣
hold upsecond thought. Terrible idea. Don't do it. It would be easily misinterpreted. 🤔🤷
I'll admit, my wording was a little extreme. I guess it comes from years of watching ebay sellers jack up the price of Frazier's rookie card, for no other purpose other than outright greed, and the prices going too high for a peasant like me to afford. Well guess what, I no longer need his rookie card, for I was able to obtain the original type 1 photo of the image used on his rookie card. Ha!
playing catch-up with this magnificent thread
double d's write-ups are arguably as impressive as the items themselves
dude you are like the bert sugar of sports talk
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
Thank you buddy, I know I've said it before, but I absolutely love the sport, it fascinates me to no end. I'm glad you guys enjoy my posts, I truly am passionate about it and I appreciate the kind words. 🖒
It is like a J Peterman catalog with the boxing items and descriptions.
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Perfectly put
Here is Floyd Mayweather wearing an Urban Sombrero
Yes, very well said! 😂😂
I believe that was from when Mayweather fought De La Hoya, I thought De La Hoya got robbed in that fight, De La Hoya was all over Mayweather like a cheap suit, Mayweather was fighting on De La Hoya's terms that night. In my opinion De La Hoya won the fight on sheer aggression, but Mayweather got the split decision.
Can anyone identify this card? It was given to me with a box of misc. trading cards. It has a blank back. THANK YOU!
Very interesting card, I've seen pretty much every Joe Louis card that has ever been made, but I've never seen that one before. I have seen that image used on one of his cards, the 1995 Starting Lineup card, it came in a package with a toy figure of Louis, but I don't know if it has any connection to that. Sorry I can't be of more help.
Thank you for responding.
You're welcome. I'm constantly on the lookout for information about boxing cards, so if I run across anything about your card I'll be sure to let you know.
This puppy didn't come cheap, but I do not care, if you want the best you must pay. You're looking at the 2016 Allen and Ginter Magenta printing plate 1/1 of boxer Gennady Golovkin, aka GGG, aka the "God of War." This printing plate was used by Topps Allen and Ginter to produce his 2016 Allen and Ginter card. Printing plates come in four different colors, Black, Yellow, Magenta, and Cyan, the Magenta is my favorite color of the four, so I could not resist. It has been professionally graded by SGC and received a grade of 9, which is ridiculously good considering these plates are used to make the cards and usually take a pretty good beating in that process. I'm pumped up about this, I consider this to be my personal holy grail for GGG, a legendary middleweight with one of the all-time greatest chins in the history of the sport, he's never been off his feet, never. I really don't know what to say about him, he's one of the greatest middleweight's to ever live, right up there with "Marvelous" Marvin Hagler and Bernard "The Executioner" Hopkins, I can't even remember how many title defenses he made, I lost count, he got robbed against Canelo Alvarez twice, two of the biggest disgraces in the history of the sport of boxing. He fought Canelo a third time this past September, but it's clear that GGG is past his prime, he's 40 years old now and needs to call it a day, he's got nothing left to prove, first ballot Hall of Famer. In his prime he could do it all, he had scary knockout power, beautiful uppercut, solid defense, lethal jab, and agonizing body shots, nobody ever beat him when he was at his best, and he reigned over the middleweight division with an iron fist. Love this guy, I'm pumped up about this purchase!
Picked up this type 1 original photo of Sugar Ray Robinson, who many people, including myself, consider to be the greatest to ever do it. To get a good idea of what Robinson was capable of at his best, you must watch the St. Valentines Day Massacre, Robinson vs Lamotta VI, it is the greatest performance by a boxer that I have ever seen inside a ring. On this night, the raging bull threw everything and the kitchen sink at his opponent, but he could not stop the machine that was Robinson. I've said it before and I'll say it again, no middleweight in history beats St. Valentines Day Robinson, the explosive flurries, the speed, the cutting power of his punches, he was ripping off hooks in combinations of three and four at a time, the relentless determination, I couldn't imagine having to face Robby that night. When Robinson was on his game, his violence inside the ring was a thing of beauty.
From my hometown of Lowell, MA...two half-brothers who were two of the best who ever stepped into a ring.
Micky Ward
Dicky Eklund
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fighter
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dicky_Eklund
No doubt about it, love both of guys, tough as nails! Irish Micky Ward is my favorite body puncher of all-time, I'll never forget the look of agony on Arturo Gatti's face as Micky sent him to one knee with a shot to the body. For anyone who wants to see a master at work, here's a "routes to the body" video.
Picked up this original type 1 photo of legendary boxer Bob Foster, nicknamed "The Deputy Sheriff" because in real life he was a sheriff's deputy in I believe New Mexico. This guy ruled the light heavyweight division with an iron fist in the late 60s and 70s. If you've never heard of Bob Foster then you don't know boxing, he was an intimidating guy, tall and lanky, almost like a deformed version of Tommy Hearns, he had a frightening gaze and a deep baritone voice, one of the hardest punchers I've ever seen in my life, and he was responsible for some of the most terrifying knockouts in boxing history. No one punched like Bob Foster.
I just picked up this awesome original type 1 photo of "Prince" Naseem Hamed, one of my all-time favorite boxers, and a legendary featherweight. This guy was absolutely electric, he could hypnotize you with the things he did in the ring, I love this photo because when he got into a groove, you couldn't talk to him, he was unresponsive, all you could do was sit back and watch him do his thing, it was like he was in a trance. He had superb knockout power, but his defense was something to behold, he was nearly impossible to hit cleanly.
I just picked up this type 1 original photo of Ike Williams, this is my personal holy grail for him, I never thought I would find this item and low and behold it popped up on ebay. This is the original photo that was used to make his "Slug" Williams exhibit card. He is one of my all-time favorite fighters, he was a devastating puncher, his power shots could literally slash your face open. If you get a chance, watch his fight with Beau Jack on YouTube, how it ended, that's the kind of savagery he was capable of.
Also picked up this 2010 Ringside Boxing Logo 1/1 card of "Gentleman" Gerry Cooney. He's one of the hardest punchers in boxing history, and I love guys that punch you in the body, and he could really rip some vicious hooks to the body. Here is a video of his body shots.
I do remember watching the Cooney/Holmes on ON-TV…so that makes me a little old school on that one...
I find this interesting @doubledragon that you bring up Cooney. Probably not interesting to anyone else, but just to me. I was six years old when he fought Holmes. But I remember that time.
I've spoken before about how my Dad died when I was five. He really liked boxing and had done some golden glove boxing himself. I watched with him. That is where I get my connection to Hagler. Anyway,.. it's ingrained in my mind, the memory of seeing Cooney being labelled as "the great white hope". I know his story. I'm still a Gerry Cooney fan in the boxing world.
I love Larry Holmes as well, one of the all-time greats!
I've always been fascinated with guys that work the body, I've had rib injuries multiple times in my life and I can testify that they are ridiculously painful, it hurts when you move, it hurts when you breathe, and it's impossible to sleep on your injured side. I can't imagine getting hit by a Cooney left hook to the body, it was a thing of pure beauty. Cooney had his problems in life, his drug addiction, he could have went a lot further but he did pretty darn good considering. Boxing and personal life can be a tough balancing act.
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You know,⁴ I'm sure, but I'll say for anyone's interest, that Cooney was naturally a southpaw. However, he fought orthodox. As a result, he never had the power in his right, but his left was considered one of the best. I think this might be where the idea of him inordinately hitting to the body came from. If your jab or offhand hook to the body is like that, you are going to throw it a d throw it a lot.
Well said, Cooney could crack to, he's listed on Ring magazine's list of 100 greatest punchers. I plan on reading his autobiography soon, when I get a chance.