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I was looking at a 1922 St Gaudens DE and there is a marking below the year, The mark seems to exist in all the Saints.
Does anyone know what it represents or am I just seeing things?
Thnx
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Designer’s initials
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
ASG monogram for the designer Augustus Saint Gaudens.
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St. Gaudens getting three letters for his design had to really torque Chief Engraver of the Mint Charles E. Barber's jaws. Barber only got one initial, a 'B', on his dime, quarter, and half dollar design. Barber did not even get a 'B' for his Liberty Nickel (1883-1913) design.
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Torque his jaws? My dad used to say "that really gripes my goat". 🙂
Some of today’s coins from the mint have 4 initials on one coin. Sheesh.
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Torque his jaws? My dad used to say "that really gripes my goat".
How about both? Torqued his jaws about St. Gaudens getting three letters (ASG) and griped his goat about Brenner getting three letters AND three dots (V.D.B.) . It's a freaking outrage, I'm telling you. St. Gaudens' initials survived. Victor D. Brenner's, not so much. Brenner's initials were restored on the Lincoln cent in 1918 ( Barber died in 1917) after being absent since 1910.
Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.-Albert Einstein
I agree completely, and that really chaps my hide. 😉
I agree completely, and that really chaps my hide.
There is something useful about Brenner's initials not being on Lincolns dated 1910-1917. "Shaved 8" well-worn 1918-D Lincolns (to make the '8' appear as a '4') will have the V.D.B. initials under Lincoln's shoulder unless an attempt was made to remove them but that's usually easy to see with a glass. Genuine 1914-D Lincolns do not have a V.D.B. under Lincoln's shoulder.
1944-D Lincoln cents have been altered to make the first '4' appear as a '1'. These show up on ebay from time to time.
Here's a 1944 cent (no 'D' under the date) that has been altered to appear as a 1914. Notice that the spacing between the '9' and the created '1' is totally wrong. Also, all 1944 cents have a V.D.B. under the shoulder. This is a better than average alteration job of a 1944 date on a Lincoln cent but inspection under a 10X loupe reveals that the piece received a light wire brushing to remove metal left after the first '4' was tooled:
Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.-Albert Einstein
You have done been learneded
I've been schooled... 👍
I have never understood the big issue with the designer's initials being included on the coin. Seems only right to do so.... Artists usually sign their work. Sure, if they were of such a size that the design was 'overpowered', then I could understand. Oh well, different time, different perceptions. Cheers, RickO
Thank you for the initial education that i just received.
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That'll learn ya!
Pette
Fixed it for you.
No you didn't! I messed up my name too. It's Pete, not Pette.
Pete (or whatever).
Maybe you were trying to change your identity?
I try to learn something new every day. As Joni Mitchell says in her song Woodstock,
"Life is for learning."
Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.-Albert Einstein
Knowledge is powerful valuable but imagination is priceless.
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"valuable" is better.
Dr. Einstein, I would add to your thought, "(imagination is).. a real factor in scientific and numismatic research."
Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.-Albert Einstein
I just took a closer look at my 1944 altered date piece and appearances are whoever made it made an attempt to remove the V.D.B. under Lincoln's shoulder. I'm thinking what I have here is a counterfeiter's demo piece for consumers of this kind of thing OR being it's sans a 'D', possibly once had a 'D' of more or less the right style and position put on it but the 'D' fell off when the victim, the one who bought the coin thinking it's authentic, put the coin in acetone to dissolve the glue that would have been used to hold the 'D' on.
Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.-Albert Einstein
I have a 1943 turned into a 1944 somewhere