PCGS Crossover, can someone help??
parallax1
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Hey guys,
on this page https://www.pcgs.com/crossover it clearly status under "other" that you can request an acceptable higher grade for a crossover submission. Yet when I start an online submission the form states you cannot request a higher grade for a crossover so...what gives? What's the right answer?
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Yes you are correct online submission can not put in higher grade. If you want to put in higher grade you might need to use paper form to submit.
Using a mail in form you have more options when submitting.
Submission methods should be equal here
I guess I'll just have to call on Monday. I don't want to do a paper submission requesting a higher grade only to find out they don't accept it.
The web page clearly says “higher” in the “other” box
Another option is to crack it and submit it raw.... Live dangerously....
Good luck... Cheers, RickO
It’s a 1915 $2.5 Pan-PAC MS65 in an old NGC holder with a gold CAC. Under a loupe it looks perfect, but I’m not sure if I’m ready for that kind of gamble!
If it were my coin, I would keep it where it is.
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That’s my plan unless it upgrades to a 67. Hence my original question.
You cannot specify a minimum grade higher than the current label grade on a crossover.
Edited: It looks like PCGS may have changed its policy, For decades the rule was what was stated in my post.
I know that’s what is driving me crazy! When you actually go to do a submission it won’t let you specify a higher grade, but the website says you can!
FWIW to you, the coin will likely go for more in the old no line fatty with gold CAC than a generic MS67 modern slab even though that sounds counterintuitive. Now if it would go 67+ and sticker with a green bean, I think it could make sense to try to cross it. Any high resolution images?
You will likely lose value if you cross it to PCGS MS67, but hey its only money when the plastic means more so go for it.
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I can try to take some pics but they won’t be high res. What do you think it’s current value is and what would it be in a 67 holder?
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Want to reap the rewards of a lack of due diligience? You've made a good start.
No idea what you’re saying.
@parallax1 You pose a problem. You want to calculate values.
I told you where to look.
ON THE VERY TOP OF THE VERY FIRST PAGE OF THE US COIN FORUM.
If you are that ignorant and intend to stay that way, sell your coins NOW.
I am kinder than this to third-graders, but sixth-graders are expected to read the syllabus.
Don't worry. No one else does either.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Perry, your cousin David was smarter than a fifth-grader.....
Parallax, what due diligence did you perform when you chose to buy a $4000 coin without the smallest clue of the price levels?
Bologna. It was pretty easy to understand that he was saying he could provide the answer himself or he could show the OP how to find the answer. He chose the latter and pointed the OP to CoinFacts. And obviously, there are other places to obtain the information, as well.
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I can try to take some pics but they won’t be high res. What do you think it’s current value is and what would it be in a 67 holder?
I can wipe your butt or I can teach you how to wipe your butt.
COIN PRICES - COIN FACTS - biggggggg letters.
Want to reap the rewards of a lack of due diligience? You've made a good start.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
I’m well aware of the price levels ding dong. Obviously a fatty NGC coin with a gold CAC is worth significantly more than standard MS65 value. My question was does a MS67 grade more than offset that difference? Try to keep up.
Since one of your two questions (copied below) was what the value would be in a 67 holder, perhaps you can understand why some of us wouldn’t know you were aware of the price levels.
“What do you think it’s current value is and what would it be in a 67 holder?”
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Ok yes sorry I could look at auction results for a 67 quite easily, my question is more so the value of a gold CAC in an old holder.
Welcome to the CU Forum. We don't know each other. I'm really not that sure how many hundreds of millions of dollars I've traded that might inform my opinions. Try to keep up.
Try not to embarrass yourself.
90% of the auction data on the planet is already on this site.
Ding Dong
You're quite correct, it's mostly useless. However, if you want someone to do the heavy lifting, at least do them the courtesy of sharing what stats you have, even if only to offer them as discountable.
Ding Dong.
It's also obvious to me, and to you, wise beyond your exalted thread count and industry-wide street-cred, unlike myself, who only co-founded NGC and merely taught grading at ANA Summer Seminar, but not quite so clear as to others.
You are attempting to conflate and concatenate the intersection of two discrete Black Swan domains. fatties and gold-beans, to create yet another Black Swan, the actual event..
This requires discontinuous equations. You must have missed my lesson for to the gazillionaire collector who paid $10M for shock-and-awe and wanted to impress us with his logarithms. He chose to bail before his $100M "calculation" had time to mature.
We have a college math professor here who keeps me in line. He is giving me lessons in terseness and I am giving him lessons in humility.
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There’s no set answer for what a gold-stickered 65 would bring. That would depend upon factors such as what grade sharp buyers felt the coin deserved and the demand for the holder/gold sticker combo. However, based on prices obtained for many other gold-stickered coins, odds are that the coin would bring a price something in excess of MS66 money.
Not that you asked, but I’d leave the coin as is. You can always choose to try to cross it or regrade it at a later date.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
I knew this might turn into not only an educational thread- but an entertaining one as well as soon as a novice calls the Colonel a "DingDong." Indeed I am hoping the OP is referring to the tasty Hostess snack cake as that would be a delight and not so much a disparaging comment (it's what my wife lovingly refers to me too).
Now, as far a value: not knowing the coin/type/scarcity/or ANY information other than grade and sticker (and slab?) I'd venture a guess that a fatty NGC with a gold sticker (or a PCGS OGH) in MS67+ might be worth 10% back of an MS68.
This isn't one-size-fits-all, yet it might at least get you in the ballpark of value, plus or minus 50%.
peacockcoins
I agree about the entertainment and “DingDong” parts. 😉 But with respect to valuation, there are no Pan Pac quarter eagles graded PCGS 68 and sight-unseen, the chances of getting a 67+ would seem to be quite remote.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
From my experience the chances of a reconsideration jumping two grades is unlikely (65 to 67) and IMHO playing the crack out game with an OGH and gold CAC is not a smart move...I'd go with #PerryHall's advice and keep it where it is...do you know a poster named Wabbit?
I too would be happy to be called a Ding Dong, but parallax is likely not my type.
So briefly met, @braddick, and yet, alas; so soon a seductively seemly alliance is so swiftly torn asunder** I'm a Ring-Ding devotee myself.
** from Shakespeare's "Hamhock", Act II, Scene 5
Thank you good sir. Thoughts on the pictures?
I think the image tint is a bit too rich (not that the coin is in any way off-color) and thus occludes refraction from within any minute marks as might actually be there. Regrettably, this QE issue is the least lustrous of the denomination struck in the 20th Century. By CAC standards a high-end 66.
Ineffably and effin' superb, and no surprise at that.
The current holder/bean combo announces to the world that "John Albanese, the bestest whatever forever, didn't know enough to fully appreciate this coin the first time he looked at it, and now he's saying he's sorry. And WOW". I could likely get you a handwritten note quoting that from him directly to you to that effect. As could several others here.
Geographically convenient to the CAC offices, I have had the opportunity to see several PCGS MS67s of this issue fail (to the accompaniment of altogether-merited snide derision after multiple submissions).