@ifthevamzarockin said:
It's strange your post vanished. I replied several times and didn't see anything that a moderator would remove it for.
I agree. It was a bit rambling but it didn't really go after the TPG's in the part I saw. Then again, who knows how it was interpreted in the middle of the night.
I referred to his 09 penny report as being a nickel.
Either way my point shall remain the same. A penny over family.
I stand corrected and appreciate the heads up from forum member.
Confusing a nickel with a penny 🙀
@jmlanzaf said:
I agree. It was a bit rambling but it didn't really go after the TPG's in the part I saw. Then again, who knows how it was interpreted in the middle of the night.
Or maybe it was just a glitch...
Yeah, may be a glitch.
Sometimes things happen for a reason, it may not have gotten welcome responses.
@ifthevamzarockin said:
It's strange your post vanished. I replied several times and didn't see anything that a moderator would remove it for.
Agree. There have been several computer glitches and it probably just disappeared due to one of these glitches. I doubt it was removed by a moderator.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
I read the OP's thread before retiring for the night.
If that convoluted, somewhat simple conjectured of a thread took you three hours to write, then there are more significant issues to be considered rather than PCGS simply removing it.
Either way, your passion for the topic didn't go noticed, and I join others in the hope your quest for further study is successful.
I'd only add many collectors and even dealers have been fooled into thinking a well-struck business strike is a proof. Are they occasionally proven to be correct? Sure, yet I'd bet it is ten to one that a business strike is disguised as a "proof" yet truly isn't.
Is it possible the mint made business strike production cents using proof dies that were no longer necessary for striking proofs? If so, certain die markers found on the proofs would also be found on the business strike cents.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
@PerryHall said:
Is it possible the mint made business strike production cents using proof dies that were no longer necessary for striking proofs? If so, certain die markers found on the proofs would also be found on the business strike cents.
Yes, this was pointed out on the deleted thread. However, the OP misinterpreted what he was being told and went off on another rambling exposition.
If a mod removed the thread you’d likely get a message as a warning
What people are not suggesting is the well known forum bug where it says “to be approved by a moderator” which really means the whole thread disappears. This will also happen to single posts. Nothing we can do about it.
@ifthevamzarockin said: @PerryHall said: "Is it possible the mint made business strike production cents using proof dies that were no longer necessary for striking proofs?"
Yes
From what I’ve read the proof dies (new and used) were kept in the medal room and not used for business strikes.
It was late last night when I read the rather rambling post. I wish I would have copied and pasted it now……I had a feeling it might get zapped.
The OP did mention selling to anyone who may be interested, which is against forum rules. That may have been the reason for the post being pulled.
From what I can remember from the post it sounds like he had invested in these “new” VDB Proofs to the tune of low to mid 6 figures. I could be wrong, it was late. If true I can see why he was trying to get back some of these funds by trying to build up and sell these undocumented proofs.
Since the authentic VDB proofs were struck from a single obverse and reverse die, how could more proofs be found without those diagnostics. The obverse die was also used for the non VDB 1909 proof. There is no reason to believe another VDB obverse die was used if die #1 was good enough to strike another coin in the series. Are there any VDB proofs with a different obverse along with reverse die #1?
@robec said:
It was late last night when I read the rather rambling post. I wish I would have copied and pasted it now……I had a feeling it might get zapped.
The OP did mention selling to anyone who may be interested, which is against forum rules. That may have been the reason for the post being pulled.
From what I can remember from the post it sounds like he had invested in these “new” VDB Proofs to the tune of low to mid 6 figures. I could be wrong, it was late. If true I can see why he was trying to get back some of these funds by trying to build up and sell these undocumented proofs.
Since the authentic VDB proofs were struck from a single obverse and reverse die, how could more proofs be found without those diagnostics. The obverse die was also used for the non VDB 1909 proof. There is no reason to believe another VDB obverse die was used if die #1 was good enough to strike another coin in the series. Are there any VDB proofs with a different obverse along with reverse die #1?
This is all wishful thinking on the OP’s behalf.
He said he had spent $250,000 in the last 5 years.
@robec said:
It was late last night when I read the rather rambling post. I wish I would have copied and pasted it now……I had a feeling it might get zapped.
The OP did mention selling to anyone who may be interested, which is against forum rules. That may have been the reason for the post being pulled.
From what I can remember from the post it sounds like he had invested in these “new” VDB Proofs to the tune of low to mid 6 figures. I could be wrong, it was late. If true I can see why he was trying to get back some of these funds by trying to build up and sell these undocumented proofs.
Since the authentic VDB proofs were struck from a single obverse and reverse die, how could more proofs be found without those diagnostics. The obverse die was also used for the non VDB 1909 proof. There is no reason to believe another VDB obverse die was used if die #1 was good enough to strike another coin in the series. Are there any VDB proofs with a different obverse along with reverse die #1?
This is all wishful thinking on the OP’s behalf.
He said he had spent $250,000 in the last 5 years.
@robec said:
It was late last night when I read the rather rambling post. I wish I would have copied and pasted it now……I had a feeling it might get zapped.
The OP did mention selling to anyone who may be interested, which is against forum rules. That may have been the reason for the post being pulled.
From what I can remember from the post it sounds like he had invested in these “new” VDB Proofs to the tune of low to mid 6 figures. I could be wrong, it was late. If true I can see why he was trying to get back some of these funds by trying to build up and sell these undocumented proofs.
Since the authentic VDB proofs were struck from a single obverse and reverse die, how could more proofs be found without those diagnostics. The obverse die was also used for the non VDB 1909 proof. There is no reason to believe another VDB obverse die was used if die #1 was good enough to strike another coin in the series. Are there any VDB proofs with a different obverse along with reverse die #1?
This is all wishful thinking on the OP’s behalf.
He said he had spent $250,000 in the last 5 years.
@robec said:
It was late last night when I read the rather rambling post. I wish I would have copied and pasted it now……I had a feeling it might get zapped.
The OP did mention selling to anyone who may be interested, which is against forum rules. That may have been the reason for the post being pulled.
From what I can remember from the post it sounds like he had invested in these “new” VDB Proofs to the tune of low to mid 6 figures. I could be wrong, it was late. If true I can see why he was trying to get back some of these funds by trying to build up and sell these undocumented proofs.
Since the authentic VDB proofs were struck from a single obverse and reverse die, how could more proofs be found without those diagnostics. The obverse die was also used for the non VDB 1909 proof. There is no reason to believe another VDB obverse die was used if die #1 was good enough to strike another coin in the series. Are there any VDB proofs with a different obverse along with reverse die #1?
This is all wishful thinking on the OP’s behalf.
He said he had spent $250,000 in the last 5 years.
No wonder he's so desperate to make his case.
That's what he SAID. He probably should have spent $500 on a copy editor.
@robec said:
It was late last night when I read the rather rambling post. I wish I would have copied and pasted it now……I had a feeling it might get zapped.
The OP did mention selling to anyone who may be interested, which is against forum rules. That may have been the reason for the post being pulled.
From what I can remember from the post it sounds like he had invested in these “new” VDB Proofs to the tune of low to mid 6 figures. I could be wrong, it was late. If true I can see why he was trying to get back some of these funds by trying to build up and sell these undocumented proofs.
Since the authentic VDB proofs were struck from a single obverse and reverse die, how could more proofs be found without those diagnostics. The obverse die was also used for the non VDB 1909 proof. There is no reason to believe another VDB obverse die was used if die #1 was good enough to strike another coin in the series. Are there any VDB proofs with a different obverse along with reverse die #1?
This is all wishful thinking on the OP’s behalf.
He said he had spent $250,000 in the last 5 years.
I guess I’m skeptical of that assertion of his. It may absolutely be true but it is a bit unlikely. Again, given how many people who were formerly banned and now troll on occasion, I’m more inclined to think things like this aren’t serious. And someone who was very serious wouldn’t confine themselves solely to the CU board when there are many free forums and venues to make a case.
@robec said:
It was late last night when I read the rather rambling post. I wish I would have copied and pasted it now……I had a feeling it might get zapped.
The OP did mention selling to anyone who may be interested, which is against forum rules. That may have been the reason for the post being pulled.
From what I can remember from the post it sounds like he had invested in these “new” VDB Proofs to the tune of low to mid 6 figures. I could be wrong, it was late. If true I can see why he was trying to get back some of these funds by trying to build up and sell these undocumented proofs.
Since the authentic VDB proofs were struck from a single obverse and reverse die, how could more proofs be found without those diagnostics. The obverse die was also used for the non VDB 1909 proof. There is no reason to believe another VDB obverse die was used if die #1 was good enough to strike another coin in the series. Are there any VDB proofs with a different obverse along with reverse die #1?
This is all wishful thinking on the OP’s behalf.
He said he had spent $250,000 in the last 5 years.
No wonder he's so desperate to make his case.
Sounds like he’s not ignoring his family. Sounds like he’s in hot water with the boss 😉
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Aha! Just as I suspected. 🤔
It's strange your post vanished. I replied several times and didn't see anything that a moderator would remove it for.
I agree. It was a bit rambling but it didn't really go after the TPG's in the part I saw. Then again, who knows how it was interpreted in the middle of the night.
Or maybe it was just a glitch...
I referred to his 09 penny report as being a nickel.
Either way my point shall remain the same. A penny over family.
I stand corrected and appreciate the heads up from forum member.
Confusing a nickel with a penny 🙀
🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶
Yeah, may be a glitch.
Sometimes things happen for a reason, it may not have gotten welcome responses.
It wasn't because of anything I posted.... I was on my best behavior.
It seems that delusional thinking and the ability to join a forum are not mutually exclusive.
Merry Christmas y’all.
Agree. There have been several computer glitches and it probably just disappeared due to one of these glitches. I doubt it was removed by a moderator.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
I read the OP's thread before retiring for the night.
If that convoluted, somewhat simple conjectured of a thread took you three hours to write, then there are more significant issues to be considered rather than PCGS simply removing it.
Either way, your passion for the topic didn't go noticed, and I join others in the hope your quest for further study is successful.
peacockcoins
I will say, all this time and the die marker(s) haven’t been revealed. I’m starting to think there aren’t any.
I'd only add many collectors and even dealers have been fooled into thinking a well-struck business strike is a proof. Are they occasionally proven to be correct? Sure, yet I'd bet it is ten to one that a business strike is disguised as a "proof" yet truly isn't.
peacockcoins
Just a thought..... the post did mention something like "if anybody wants to buy one."
It may have been seen as an attempt to sell. ???
Is it possible the mint made business strike production cents using proof dies that were no longer necessary for striking proofs? If so, certain die markers found on the proofs would also be found on the business strike cents.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Yes, this was pointed out on the deleted thread. However, the OP misinterpreted what he was being told and went off on another rambling exposition.
@PerryHall said:
"Is it possible the mint made business strike production cents using proof dies that were no longer necessary for striking proofs?"
Yes
If a mod removed the thread you’d likely get a message as a warning
What people are not suggesting is the well known forum bug where it says “to be approved by a moderator” which really means the whole thread disappears. This will also happen to single posts. Nothing we can do about it.
Best bet is to save your post on your computer so you do not lose your work
I see your profile says “applicant”
It is said Applicants can’t upload pictures, but can link pictures
It will take a pcgs mod to make a member. I would expect that next week
From what I’ve read the proof dies (new and used) were kept in the medal room and not used for business strikes.
- Bob -
MPL's - Lincolns of Color
Central Valley Roosevelts
@robec "From what I’ve read the proof dies (new and used) were kept in the medal room and not used for business strikes."
I would be willing to bet you are correct but if they are in the same building there is a remote chance.
I use the phrase:
Do not kick the bears
This is pcgs’ forum, the more you malign pcgs the more you are likely to get bammed.
The deleted post may also be from the "edit glitch" we hear about where someone edits then poof.
Exactly
Forum bug.
It does seem to strike on long posts more than short.
Another work around is to make a short original post and never edit it
Not a user friendly thing to have to do, but it’s a bug we users have no control over
But as I was saying earlier, this disappearing act can also happen on single posts.
Just save your work to your computer
It was late last night when I read the rather rambling post. I wish I would have copied and pasted it now……I had a feeling it might get zapped.
The OP did mention selling to anyone who may be interested, which is against forum rules. That may have been the reason for the post being pulled.
From what I can remember from the post it sounds like he had invested in these “new” VDB Proofs to the tune of low to mid 6 figures. I could be wrong, it was late. If true I can see why he was trying to get back some of these funds by trying to build up and sell these undocumented proofs.
Since the authentic VDB proofs were struck from a single obverse and reverse die, how could more proofs be found without those diagnostics. The obverse die was also used for the non VDB 1909 proof. There is no reason to believe another VDB obverse die was used if die #1 was good enough to strike another coin in the series. Are there any VDB proofs with a different obverse along with reverse die #1?
This is all wishful thinking on the OP’s behalf.
- Bob -
MPL's - Lincolns of Color
Central Valley Roosevelts
He said he had spent $250,000 in the last 5 years.
Hopefully, that spending is part of the delusion.
No wonder he's so desperate to make his case.
That's what he SAID. He probably should have spent $500 on a copy editor.
I hope the OP will step back and take this up again next week. Maybe by then he'll have photo privileges.
Enjoy the Holiday. The discussion/debate can wait.
I guess I’m skeptical of that assertion of his. It may absolutely be true but it is a bit unlikely. Again, given how many people who were formerly banned and now troll on occasion, I’m more inclined to think things like this aren’t serious. And someone who was very serious wouldn’t confine themselves solely to the CU board when there are many free forums and venues to make a case.
Sounds like he’s not ignoring his family. Sounds like he’s in hot water with the boss 😉
🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶