1877 Indian vs. 1909 s vdb
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Which one would you rather posses? 1877 Indian or 1909 s vdb? In your opinion which is more rare? Which would you hang on to for many years? Which one does better in the rare coin market? Thoughts ? Opinions? Advice?
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1877 for sure. Love the look of the Indian Head cents.
The ‘77 IHC. Practically every dealer had an ‘09-S in the case at the Baltimore show. The Indian type is also a classic representation of Liberty, which I enjoy more than the dead Presidents.
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I had two 1877s (VG8 and F12) and two 1909-S VDBs (VF30 and AU55) . . . . at the Salem, OR show. All 4 sold in the first day
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I think Id go with the IHC
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1877 Indian Cent would be my choice. The 1909-S VDB is actually rather common ... but it is very popular.
At the 1987 ANA show in Atlanta, I traded a raw S VDB for a raw 1877 plus cash. At the time I had two 09's and zero 77's and it just made sense to me. By the way, I still have both coins and they reside in my complete set albums still happily unslabbed.
Easy choice for me.
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IHC. No contest.
I collect Lincoln cents even though I like Indian cents. I'm going with S VDB as my preference. There's room for another one or two in my collection. Last box of $25 pennies I searched there wasn't anything there for my collection of Lincolns (1909-1974) but there was an 1896 IHC that I found, in solid good condition.
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For me, it would be the '77 IHC.... The '09S VDB never really appealed to me. Cheers, RickO
1877 IHC. I have 2 and really enjoy them.
1877 IHC, for sure.
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I'm satisfied with my "common" PCGS MS61 RED 1909 S VDB. I've owned it since 1992.
In my opinion, I believe the 1909 S VDB is more popular among collectors than the 1877 Indian Cent. After all, many people who do not even collect coins, have heard of the 1909 S VDB.
I am pretty sure that there are more people assembling complete sets of Lincoln Cents, as opposed to complete sets of Indian Cents. Therefore, more demand for the 1909 S VDB than the 1877 Indian Cent.
As a young collector, I always wanted a 1909 S VDB. The thought obtaining an 1877 Indian Cent probably never occurred to me
At my age, no interest in buying an 1877 Indian Cent.
For me, hands down, I choose the legendary 1909 S VDB Lincoln Cent.
Well, I have both the 1909-S v.d.b as well as the 1877 IHC but am partial to the 1877 IHC which has it's own postage stamp.
Edited to add info.
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/u-s-coins/quarters/PCGS-2020-quarter-quest/album/247091
I think it would be interesting to ask this question with the slight difference in what people actually possess than what they might possess.
Why did you have 3 1909-S VDBs but only 1 1877?
When I went to look for these in the CoinFacts, there aren't many with provenance.
Then when I went to check out the 100 Greatest Coins list, I found the 1909-S VDB on it but not the 1877 IHC. Any thoughts why the IHC isn't on the list?
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/u-s-coins/famous-u-s-coins/100-greatest-u-s-coins/publishedset/151812
I've bought two '77s and have kept one. I've only bought one '09S VDB, and I don't plan to replace it; whereas I continue to ponder upgrading or simply adding another '77 to my collection.
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I've had 2 1909-S VDB's but haven't owned an 1877 IHC...
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I have what I think is a wonderful 1909 S VDB that I got in a London auction about 10 years ago raw. It looked good and hosts graded it an MS64RB, and it is every bit that, complete with a silky luster that is very nice.
My issue with the Indian Head cent of any date is it always looks like Ms. Liberty is a poseur dressed up like an Indian. However I have one IHC that I like - an EF 1908 S that has a great look to it.
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1877 for me.
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I vote 1877. 1909-S VDB is borderline ‘modern crap’ (ha ha)
I think it has to do with the popularity of the series as much as anything, there are lots of Lincoln sets and collectors, but fewer set collectors of IHC cents. In the PCGS registry there are 244 IHC sets vs 439 wheat cent sets, in the NGC registry there is 569 IHC sets vs 1063 Lincoln sets. The 1909 SVDB is a great coin for both set builders and for those who do key date type collecting. The 1877 IHC is also great for those doing a key date type set but there are far fewer IHC set collectors so less demand for such an expensive coin.
If you pose the question as you changed it then I would say the 1877, as I already have two 1909 SVDB's I would want to buy an 1877 more than a third 1909 SVDB.
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The tough question for those in the 60+ grades is would you rather buy a mint state or a proof 1877 IHC. The proof is less expensive than the MS.
In the PCGS registry there are 244 IHC sets vs 439 wheat cent sets, in the NGC registry there is 569 IHC sets vs 1063 Lincoln sets.
Who would have guessed there are more than 2Xs as many NGC small cent registry sets than PCGS sets! WOW!
IHC for me for sure. It's the type that got me collecting in the late 70' when I was 9 years old.
I just pulled out my old stamp collection and magnifying glass, and yep, it's an 1877. I guess I never noticed that the Indian Head Cent on the 0.13 stamp was an 1877.
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I'll go with the 1877.
I wonder of any of the current Lincoln shield cents will ever approach the popularity of these two classics. There are already four with mintages less than the 1909-S VDB. (2017-S enhanced uncirculated, 2018-S reverse proof, 2019-W business strike, 2019-W reverse proof.)
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I would think this to be unlikely, there are fewer proof series collectors these days and the W business strikes were horded and are easily available in high grades. I don't see any of these suffering significant shrinkage and the mintages while as you noted are lower there will always be enough to cover the demand and then some.
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My two cent's worth: the IHC. Better design.
Owned both and sold both along with both series. Now type only and I'm considering buying another 09SVDB to represent the VDB type. Sentimental reasons and just more interesting than the PVDB - like many I looked in vain for one as a kid, Never found the 31S or 14D either.
I don't have an 1877 IHC and have no plans on picking one up, so it is the iconic 1909-S VDB. The first coin I picked up when I got back into coin collecting and likely the last coin I will sell when that time comes. As to which one does better on the rare coin market, I think the 1877 IHC will out perform the 1909-S VDB as it is much rarer.
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I was thinking that 20 or 30 years from now, new Lincoln collectors would start with the contemporary shield reverse and work their way backwards. Many modern series collectors include the proofs and other finishes in their collections, partly because the "S" mint mark is generally unavailable otherwise. The 2017-S enhanced uncirculated cent, with its mintage of 211K, would be the limiting factor for this series, especially since many of them will be retained by mint/proof set collectors and not broken out of their sets.
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