GREEDY BOT USERS DISRUPT US MINT COIN SALES AND OTHER COIN AUCTIONS
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This is a discussion about buying coins from the US Mint and other coin auctions. Clearly it is a discussion with much importance to the buying and selling of coins. The use of bots has caused many issues with the sales of coins by the US Mint and other sellers.
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What's a BOT?
software that automatically conducts transactions for a user.
Like sniping on ebay, spamming, whatever...
This could be closed as well
Where can I get one of these bots?
I coulda bot some of the hot mint issues if I had one working for me.
The US Mint has taken action against the use of bots and other online retailers are doing the same.
The greed has become so bad congress is also considering legislation
I would not waste any money for one as they will soon become illegal to use and all major sellers will be blocking them.
I remember the AOL Instant Messenger BOT programs of the early days.
Does that include ebay sniping tools?
It shouldn't be closed since it is clearly coin related. I tried to buy several limited mint offerings that sold out in a couple minutes and bots were a contributing factor. I wanted them for my collection, and I had no intention of flipping them for an obscene profit.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
@PerryHall Scroll further down the page and you'll see what I mean.
The mint doesn't prohibit purchases based on the buyer hoping to make a profit by reselling.
Just sayin'.
You’ll never stop profiteering you can only make it evolve. I maintain the onus is on the mint to protect its faithful collectors. My father in law buys every mint set, ASE, proof set, silver quarter set and the like and has since the 80s. All the stuff that might never make it’s retail price back. He more other than not gets squeezed out of the stuff that the flippers target.
The mint should have a points based subscription service to give it collectors the chance to buy ONE of the special issues before the general public and dealers. That would solve much of the heart burn
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"The mission of the U.S. Mint is to serve the American people by manufacturing and distributing circulating, precious metal and collectible coins and national medals, and providing security over assets entrusted to us."
https://www.usmint.gov/about
Nothing in there about preferences for collectors.
The mint arguably doesn't want a few 'insiders' (or 'cheaters'?) buying up all of a limited issue. Would regulating the use of 'bots be a practical measure?
To many people believe they have the right to do what ever they can get away with. However in a civilized society when their actions infringe on many others rights they no longer have that right.
This is why the US Mint normally has a one-per-household limit on their low mintage offerings.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
This is getting so far out of hand, is growing and infringing on many buyers rights to free commerce. This is my point and why government intervention is inevitable. Anyway the Mint is a government entity and will be a leader in the effort to stamp out bots.
Think a little deeper and ask your self who exactly who they make “collector” coins for.
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Except that every single person in this thread has used a bot. There's nothing wrong with bots (criminal hacking bots excluded) and it is nearly impossible to draw lines.
Many of you folks want your sniping bots and your shopping bots but are mad when someone uses a bot that gets in your way.
So many proud snipers in these parts who don't think of themselves a interfering in commerce. Yet if I were to set up a bot to buy ONE, JUST ONE, Mint coin while I'm at work and unavailable, the government should get involved.
Think a little deeper and ask yourself how often you've used a bot yourself when it was advantageous to you.
I have never used a bot, wouldn't know how lol, but have only missed out on a couple of key offerings (ERP ASE or WW II 75th offerings), but to say the USM normally has a one per hh limit on low mintage offerings is incorrect.
For anybody who wants one, obviously. Think a little deeper and ask yourself who exactly might want a limited edition collector item.
Not true. I've never used a bot.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
I bet you have. Snipe program. Shopping program. Ebay listing program. Internet coupon bot.
I bet you have. They are not what you think. Any scheduled activity on the internet likely uses a bot.
News feeds that send you links are also bots.
I've never used a snipe program or an eBay listing program.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Like I said. Unless of course you know what I do better than I do.
Thought I would post on this thread to prove you wrong! I have never used a bot, be it a snipping program or whatever!
Wall Street journal headline search. Coupon hunter. There are thousands of them, not all of which are related to commerce. Internet search bots.
If you've ever had an internet search set up, it's a bot. If you have an ebay alert set up, it's a bot. They are not all shopping bots. The only people who haven't ever used a bot are people who aren't on the internet.
If you've ever used Google or big or any search engine, they use bots to index the web pages
I wish Microsoft edge would quit throwing all these good deals and coupon offers up every time I look or buy something on ebay. I even went so far one day using their feedback crap demanding they quit throwing their sh*t at me for about an hour!
Annoying bots.. lol
I bet you use bits and don't know it.
https://www.keycdn.com/blog/web-crawlers
Unless google is a bot, I have never used one. This argument is tired and beaten. Those that use bots defend them. Those that purposely end around the HHL…whatever karma
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If you use Facebook, you use a bot.
JM not sure about that. Is that like because cocaine is on money and you touch money therefore you use cocaine?
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Google uses multiple bots. Your Facebook news feed is maintained by a bot.
It's fun when you get on a roll!
PS what are bits?
Not sure either your or my syllogism holds water
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No. No. No. No.
Inexact parallel. You read your Facebook feed that is prepared by the bot. It's not secondary to what you are doing like the cocaine.
People are starting with the assumption that bots are one bad thing rather than often useful helpers on the internet.
Facebook. CNN headline news? There are so many bots out there, any internet user is using them.
Google news uses a news story bot!
And I’m sure no one is muddying the topic by playing with a strict meaning of bot when the rest of the crowd readily knows what is being discussed.
Ps I hate myself for using google news now
I know Facebook and other media companies use bots to test code Algorithms etc also to combat fake accounts. Bots are neither good nor bad, it is how they are employed and to what end.
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https://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/bot-robot
Anyway, moving on
The answer to bots at the usmint is mint to demand.
When an item sells out in 12 minutes who has time to jump through hoops?
I'm not muddling anything. The problem is that it's not the bots it's the action. You can't ban shopping bots, for example, without eliminating the good shopping bots. You can enforce a HHL, but that has nothing to do with bots. Bots don't bypass the HHL, they just execute the purchase faster. I fail to see that as evil. Why couldn't someone use a bot to buy their HHL while they are at work?
I agree which is why I think the bot issue is a bit of a strawman. I use a bot to place stock trades. Why is that allowed but buying a mint product is not?
Also, I don’t like the “reward the consistent buyers” idea.
The people that only collect AGE could be locked out because they only buy a 4-coin a year. That V75? Sorry, you didn’t buy enough for the past 5 years.
Then there is the “new people” problem with no order history.
I have never used a bot or any link to one. Sign on to the Mint site with my user name and password enter allowed HHL and hit the red box. I was able to score on every Morgan, Peace and Type 2 release with minimal hassle. Took a few repeats to check out but still scored.
Jmlanzaf,
While you post some good information, so many of your count boosting posts are BS and lame excuses.
P.S. No need to show what you are really about as I will not waste any time replying to any of your posts.
Have a nice day
So do people with a 1 Gig connection. Not fair to people with slow internet. The mint needs to make everybody connect via dialup on AOL with a 2400 baud modem.