1987 Off center Lincoln cent - Anything more??????
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Found this cent roll searching and wondering if this is just an OFF CENTER strike? Or as another member has noticed that the Letters are spilling over the rim! Any ideas??????? Thanks for looking......
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Looks different than an ordinary off center strike. Maybe broad strike and off center?
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It does weight normal at 2.5 G
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Weird is that no zinc is showing thru thou.
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Typically the missed part of the planchet looks plain whereas this one looks struck by the die yet without lettering?! @ErrorsOnCoins
Actually on the reverse in the blank area you can see lettering.
That is an interesting CRH find... I have found a blank planchet, but never an off center strike. I see no lettering in the blank area of the reverse... even magnified... Old eyes I guess
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Would it be considered an off-center misaligned die? Pretty cool looking though!
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Looks like the word IN right under ONE. Plus you can see flow lines on the obverse and also what looks to be a strike thru.
It's got a lot going on.
Hmmmm…..
What in Lords name did you find???
The unstruck area looks like it was reworked along with the coin itself. Buncha die cracks too.
Pete
I just thought it was a normal off center strike - I'll have to get the microscope out to check this out better.............thanks for the information
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Been withholding my newb opinions
Is it round?
Odd coin.
My guess is the obverse die got damaged.
But, I will wait for an error expert to chime in
Waiting for Fred, but I think this is what you get when there is a partial missing collar.
Yes, it's pretty round. It is just slightly bigger than a regular cent. It came out of a paper roll without any problems.
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Here is a standard off-centered for comparison - The unstruck part of the planchet is well, unstruck.
I will not rule out the possibility that the coin was whizzed, giving it the same coarse surface in both the struck and the unstruck areas. but I'm just not sure.
How's the edge?
No damage, no zinc showing through, looks to be a normal type rim edge
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Thanks
Could somebody please post a picture of a normal one in a relatively early die state?
Here is a P and a D
Thanks.
Your D has a similar erosion ring through IGWT, and a really motheaten field. Maybe they had some bad die steel that year.
PCGS liked the D more giving it a plus. I’m guessing luster or eye appeal. Certainly wasn’t strike.
Maybe the workers just didn't care?
Pete
It’s die deterioration. Very common on Zincolns of this period. Just happened to be that this one was struck off center.
But why does the unstruck crescent have a texture so similar to the struck field?
Another anomaly that seems strange to me is that the inner rim is convex on both sides. I thought they would be flat.
Also check out the inner rim above trust, it looks like it was struck 3 times.
At this point I’m trying to find die markers that match to try and put it together.
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Can you take more close ups…closer
And the line above Liberty, does it look like a strike thru? Seems to match the size of the missing metal left of there.
Another clue would be the three or four rim lines running through the date and into Lincoln’s coat.
Maybe @FredWeinberg could help us figure this one out.
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I'll try this afternoon. I tried the scope but there is too much glare from the lights and it washes out most of the details........
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The poor quality of the copper plating can often be detected after strike. Sometimes you will see the extremely thin “striations” in the plating even after being struck.
In this case, you have poor copper plating, significant die polishing, and and wear/circulation that impacts the appearance of the struck fields.
Here ya go - about the best I can do.................Pretty much was able to divide it into quarters.....
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It isn't unusual to have the copper plated zinc planchets to look striated and/or circulated. Especially in the 80's when they were not washing the planchets before plating resulting in bubbles and lines. Here's a blank I have that shows they aren't always a pretty perfect copper plated disk.
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One thing about the o/c is how pronounced the striations are
The raised area running through the L and IGWT looks like a ridge ring caused by a worn die.
https://www.error-ref.com/?s=Ridge+ring
That seems to be true but then how does the rim strike fade and the ridge ring takes over as the dominant feature?
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Can anyone show me an off center strike zinc with raised rims? And the unstruck surface matching a struck surface.
I think it could be a double struck coin, only the double struck area was struck with only the fields. Seems implausible but until you can explain the former question I rest.