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Silver Eagle Reverse Proof Designer Set PCGS PR60?

Hello,

I recently got my graded coin back from PCGS for the silver eagle reverse proof designer set.

I had it graded as a first strike and did not open the original packaging from the US Mint.

I was shocked to find out it got a grade of PR60 from PCGS. Most proof coins grade around 69 or 70 (with few little lower), but i have NEVER seen a 60 before. I thought it was an error by PCGS.

Upon close inspection, i can see that the relief is not as detailed compared to my PR70 graded coins, but i didnt think that it was that bad. There are certainly no other hairline cracks or visible scratches that would warrant a 60 grade.

Does this make my coin that much more rare or am i stuck with a paperweight?

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  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,222 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It would actually be worth more to me as a PR60 than a PR69. Perhaps other collectors feel the same way.

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  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,805 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I suspect it is an error in the number on the cert. Did you type the cert number into the PCGS certificate verification? If they match it would be worth a call to cust service.
    I doubt that it's a 60.
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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,292 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Mechanical error?

  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,396 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Available image?

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,703 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 8, 2021 2:42PM

    it could be a label-making error.

    pics of both sides would help.

    what is the certification number?

    a coin that pulls a 60 would have to be pretty beat up. looking forward to confirmatory-contradictatory pics

    we do not need it, but it might be helpful for you : to find your submission number

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  • coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 11,574 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If it is a 60 then yes a paper weight.

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  • yes i checked the population report and the cert number it reflects as a 60.

  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,703 ✭✭✭✭✭

    pics

    stack the pics... put the obverse on top and the reverse UNDER the obverse

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  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,457 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Proof 60s are real dogs. If your coin does not have any serious problems then a mechanical error is likely the cause of the grade you received. Contact PCGS customer service to resolve the problem.

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  • LazybonesLazybones Posts: 1,496 ✭✭✭✭✭

    PM sent!

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  • MarkKelleyMarkKelley Posts: 1,911 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm in the mechanical error camp. I've NEVER seen a modern Proof coin graded that low. Call customer service.

  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,703 ✭✭✭✭✭

    with a 60, you wouldn't have to look for marks. immediate noticeability of many, many marks, no magnification required.

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  • Jzyskowski1Jzyskowski1 Posts: 6,650 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Pictures please. Just use your phone. Practice a little bit and post us a front and rear. Obverse and reverse in coin lingo. Welcome and excuse me for getting excited but there has been some really unusual issues with these. Thanks JZ 😉

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  • VanHalenVanHalen Posts: 4,175 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Lowest is 66 other than the 60. Definitely a low ball piece.

  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,703 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Lowball is PO-01

    A 60 for a modern is a PO-owner

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,292 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @VanHalen said:

    Lowest is 66 other than the 60. Definitely a low ball piece.

    If it's a mechanical error, then it is really a 69 or 70.

    It is virtually impossible that it is a 60.

  • Yes....that is my 60...

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,703 ✭✭✭✭✭

    You call and start arguing “mechanical error” and what they will hear on the other end is “I’m not happy with the grade”

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,703 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 8, 2021 3:45PM

    I’ve never encountered a “mechanical error” like this before, but perhaps someone know the PCGS paperwork hustle such that maybe graders put handwritten numbers on the sub forms.

    Perhaps you can email them a link to this thread

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,703 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 8, 2021 3:57PM

    I have no clue but that is nowhere near a 60.

    The difference here is so great that I’m calling it a pcgs mistake rather than a “difference of grading opinion”

    Get your submission number ready and prepare for phone calls to them.

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,703 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Worst case is you have to pay for - careful with the choice - “reconsideration service” so you can keep first strike on the label

    Do not remove it from the holder under any circumstance

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  • VanHalenVanHalen Posts: 4,175 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Likely a 69 typed as 60 in error.

    It's an error coin!

  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,703 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Could be a 70 as a 60

    Which digit is wrong? First or last … or … both(!)

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  • youniqueyounique Posts: 882 ✭✭✭

    Definitely not 60. Can't wait, one of my unopened sets sitting in QA.

  • MgarmyMgarmy Posts: 2,296 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Maybe ask for Heather to chime in?

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,703 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Mgarmy said:
    Maybe ask for Heather to chime in?

    It would be nice to know if there are handwritten graders’ notes that could be referenced

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  • no handwritten notes that i can find.

    Just the invoice along with the confirmation of each grade and cert #, which validate the 60 grade.

  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,703 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I’m talking pcgs internal notes

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,703 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 8, 2021 4:17PM

    Here is a MS62 from PCGS' photograde - https://www.pcgs.com/photograde#/SilEag/Grades

    Notice How Many Hits it Has


    a 60 is markedly worse, pun intended.

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  • Steven59Steven59 Posts: 9,049 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sure doesn't look anywhere close to a PF60. Like others stated, label error,

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  • Jzyskowski1Jzyskowski1 Posts: 6,650 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 8, 2021 4:24PM

    Now the question becomes leave it in a very cool unique error holder or send it back. Me I’d keep it as is. So cool and a fun example of buy the coin. It’s awesome and thanks for sharing. JZ

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,703 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Jzyskowski1 said:
    Now the question becomes leave it in a very cool unique error holder or send it back. Me I’d keep it as is. So cool and a fun example of buy the coin. It’s awesome and thanks for sharing. JZ

    You’d save everyone a lot of trouble by purchasing the coin at a 70 valuation

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,292 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MsMorrisine said:

    @Jzyskowski1 said:
    Now the question becomes leave it in a very cool unique error holder or send it back. Me I’d keep it as is. So cool and a fun example of buy the coin. It’s awesome and thanks for sharing. JZ

    You’d save everyone a lot of trouble by purchasing the coin at a 70 valuation

    That's the problem. You can't ever sell it.

  • DelawareDoonsDelawareDoons Posts: 3,413 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 8, 2021 4:40PM

    @PCGS_Moderator can probably get you in touch with the right people to have this looked into.

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  • Steven59Steven59 Posts: 9,049 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @MsMorrisine said:

    @Jzyskowski1 said:
    Now the question becomes leave it in a very cool unique error holder or send it back. Me I’d keep it as is. So cool and a fun example of buy the coin. It’s awesome and thanks for sharing. JZ

    You’d save everyone a lot of trouble by purchasing the coin at a 70 valuation

    That's the problem. You can't ever sell it.

    Why not? I know a few Label error collectors that would buy it - just not sure for how much though..........

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  • Jzyskowski1Jzyskowski1 Posts: 6,650 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 8, 2021 4:51PM

    @Steven59 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @MsMorrisine said:

    @Jzyskowski1 said:
    Now the question becomes leave it in a very cool unique error holder or send it back. Me I’d keep it as is. So cool and a fun example of buy the coin. It’s awesome and thanks for sharing. JZ

    You’d save everyone a lot of trouble by purchasing the coin at a 70 valuation

    That's the problem. You can't ever sell it.

    Why not? I know a few Label error collectors that would buy it - just not sure for how much though..........

    I’ll bet you can get 70 money for it and probably more😉
    A certain cricket went for how much?

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  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,089 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Obvious mechanical error. Some people collect these and would pay more for the coin than what a 70 goes for. It may take a while to find them, though.

  • Steven59Steven59 Posts: 9,049 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Jzyskowski1 said:
    [I’ll bet you can get 70 money for it and probably more😉
    A certain cricket went for how much?]

    With buyers fee - $5906.25 Not bad for a cricket?????????

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,703 ✭✭✭✭✭

    at least the cricket had provenance

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  • MilesWaitsMilesWaits Posts: 5,385 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would leave it as is. Makes it more novel and interesting. Besides which, if it ever starts spotting that grade will be closer to the true value.
    I have a proof 64 Deep Cam Silver Eagle I got on eBay and had to take it to a dealer friend understand why it was graded so low. It too is a keeper.

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  • GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 17,569 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 8, 2021 5:28PM

    Dubious honor, but could be quite the rarity, coin weenies flock to. :D

  • mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would sell as is, someone will pony up for the plastic (and the paper insert.)
    Put it on eBay with a high BIN and see if you get offers.

  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,591 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Its a POP 1. LOL

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yeah, a POP 1... and EVERTHING higher... :D;) That certainly does not look like a 60, but better pictures (full obverse and reverse, straight on) would let us look for any potential hidden issues. Cheers, RickO

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