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Anyone here remember AuthentiGrade or Ronald Gillio? Interesting add to my collection.

pointfivezeropointfivezero Posts: 1,855 ✭✭✭✭✭
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I received a phone call from Ben - the Coin Geek last week. Aware of my interest in old holders, he said he picked up some interesting slabs at a local coin show that he'd never seen in the twenty years of LCS ownership. He asked me if I would be interested in owning some. Of course I was.

I did a little research and found a not so flattering CU thread from 2002 about this Santa Barbara CA dealer but little else. My purchase arrived today and I was hoping some of the more "seasoned" forum members might have more information. Here are a few pictures:

Tim

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,640 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Waiting to hear

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  • pointfivezeropointfivezero Posts: 1,855 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here is the original post I found.

    But in reading this follow-up thread, it appears he was fully vindicated.

    A little notoriety never hurt a coin's value, right?

    Tim

  • bidaskbidask Posts: 14,017 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Rin Gillio Is a long time numismatist ,very experienced, and knowlegeable. .

    Obviously his slab venture never took off and failed.

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  • pointfivezeropointfivezero Posts: 1,855 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bidask said:
    Ron Gillio Is a long time numismatist ,very experienced, and knowledgeable. .

    Obviously his slab venture never took off and failed.

    Yes, his grading company never took off but the concept certainly stuck with us. I'm very excited to add this rarity to my collection.

    Tim

  • FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,871 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have dinner with him every Friday night at Long Beach – always an interesting conversation over dinner with him and a few other good friends!

    Retired Collector & Dealer in Major Mint Error Coins & Currency since the 1960's.Co-Author of Whitman's "100 Greatest U.S. Mint Error Coins", and the Error Coin Encyclopedia, Vols., III & IV. Retired Authenticator for Major Mint Errors for PCGS. A 50+ Year PNG Member.A full-time numismatist since 1972, retired in 2022.
  • streeterstreeter Posts: 4,312 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 15, 2021 8:22PM

    I believe Mr Gillio is responsible for one of the greatest treasures in American numismatics.

    IIRC, he bought the 19,000 St Gaudens from a Russian bank and moved them to Wells Fargo in SF. Hence 'The Wells Fargo Hoard'.

    Proudly and humbly at the Heritage encampment Thursday at Long Beach.

    Have a nice day
  • pointfivezeropointfivezero Posts: 1,855 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @FredWeinberg said:
    I have dinner with him every Friday night at Long Beach – always an interesting conversation over dinner with him and a few other good friends!

    Does he attend the Long Beach show? I'm planning to attend in February and would love to show him these old slabs.

    Tim

  • FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,871 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Although I don’t know for certain, he should be there unless he’s traveling.

    Retired Collector & Dealer in Major Mint Error Coins & Currency since the 1960's.Co-Author of Whitman's "100 Greatest U.S. Mint Error Coins", and the Error Coin Encyclopedia, Vols., III & IV. Retired Authenticator for Major Mint Errors for PCGS. A 50+ Year PNG Member.A full-time numismatist since 1972, retired in 2022.
  • pointfivezeropointfivezero Posts: 1,855 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @streeter said:
    I believe Mr Gillio is responsible for one of the greatest treasures in American numismatics.

    IIRC, he bought the 19,000 St Gaudens from a Russian bank and moved them to Wells Fargo in SF. Hence 'The Wells Fargo Hoard'.

    Proudly and humbly at the Heritage encampment Thursday at Long Beach.

    Great story. My wife and I are in Santa Barbara somewhat regularly (she is a UCSB grad). Will have to stop by his shop on State Street.

    Tim

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,393 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very cool slab. Never seen this type before now. Can we get a pic of the back side of this slab? It's interesting that the slab doesn't show the date of the coin.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,353 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very interesting part of history!

    Of note, neither his website nor Stack's indicate he was ever associated with this TPG.

    https://gillio.com/

    Gillio.com wrote:
    Ronald J. Gillio, founder and President, is a member of the most prestigious professional numismatic organizations in the world know as, ‘The International Association of Professional Numismatists’ (IAPN). Mr. Gillio is also a member of ‘The Industry Council for Tangible Assets’. Each organization obtains stringent membership requirements along with a strict code of ethics.

    https://www.stacksbowers.com/Pages/Experts.aspx?List=SBG Staff List&ListID=21

    Stack's Bowers wrote:
    R​onald J. Gillio is an internationally renowned rare coin dealer, auctioneer, author and researcher who has been active and influential in numismatics for more than 45 years. He joined Stack’s Bowers Galleries in early 2007 as Numismatic Acquisition Coordinator and U.S. and World Coin and Currency Specialist, a position that includes purchasing and obtaining consignments.​

    Ron’s involvement in numismatics literally spans the globe. In addition to his work with Stack’s Bowers Galleries, he continues as general chairman of the popular Long Beach and Santa Clara, California Coin, Stamp & Collectibles Expos on behalf of the shows' owner, Collectors Universe, Inc. He also continues his retail store in Santa Barbara, California — Gillio Rare Coins & Fine Jewelry, a division of Ronald J. Gillio, Inc. — one of the largest buyers/sellers/importers of rare coins in the United States. He has conducted nearly 80 multi-million dollar auction sales in the United States, Europe, Hong Kong, Japan and Singapore, and his résumé includes such well-known names as Pacific Coast Auction Galleries, Butterfield Auction Galleries, Robert R. Johnson, Inc., Baldwin's Auctions of London, Spink London, Taisei Stamps & Coins of Hong Kong and Singapore, and Butterfield-Johnson-Gillio. He is an official appraiser to the State of California and served as an auctioneer for the United States Marshall's Office.​​​

    A respected member of the most esteemed numismatic associations, Ron is a past president of the Professional Numismatists Guild (PNG), as well as the recipient of the Founders Award, the highest honor of the PNG. He is a Life Member of the American Numismatic Association (ANA), and has been a member of the International Association of Professional Numismatists (IAPN) for more than two decades. He is also founding charter member No. 11 of the ​Professional Coin Grading Service (PCGS). Well known for his writings and research in the field, Ron collaborated with Walter Breen in the writing and publishing of the new standard reference book California Fractional Gold. In 1984, he became a contributor to the 37th edition of A Guide Book of United States Coins (The Red Book), and has appeared as such in every subsequent edition. He has also been a contributor to the Standard Catalog of World Coins, the Official ANA Grading Standards for United States Coins, and the Coin World Almanac.​

    Ron is based in our Santa Barbara, California office and can be reached directly at 805-637-5081

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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,353 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 16, 2021 2:35AM

    @pointfivezero said:
    Here is the original post I found.

    But in reading this follow-up thread, it appears he was fully vindicated.

    A little notoriety never hurt a coin's value, right?

    Tim

    Some interesting history there.

    The first thread talks about the PNG in the OP and neither bio mentions current membership in the PNG.

    His bio does say:

    "Ronald J. Gillio, founder and President, is a member of the most prestigious professional numismatic organizations in the world know as, ‘The International Association of Professional Numismatists’ (IAPN)."

    Anyone here a member of IAPN (https://iapn-coins.org/)?

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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,353 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 16, 2021 2:38AM

    @pointfivezero said:

    It's cool this was done with Dennis M. Gillio who has his own coin shop:

    Dennis Gillio Rare Coins:

    http://coinzip.com/dealerPage.php?dealer=899

    Specialties: U.S. gold coins, PCGS gold coins, world gold coins, Franklin Mint gold coins; gold, silver, platinum bullion & coins. Loans made on coins.

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  • pointfivezeropointfivezero Posts: 1,855 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:
    Very cool slab. Never seen this type before now. Can we get a pic of the back side of this slab? It's interesting that the slab doesn't show the date of the coin.

    Here you go, hand signed and all:

  • pointfivezeropointfivezero Posts: 1,855 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Zoins - thanks for all the reference material. Provides me with even more appreciation for the slabs.

    Tim

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,393 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That slab is very cool. B)

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

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