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Can a coin have mint damage or post mint damage and still grade ms 67?

This dime appears to have damage to the bottom of the faces of the bands yet graded MS67. What do you think?



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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,717 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Need a loupe for that one.

    Aren’t bag marks and reed marks a form of post mint damage?

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  • Joey29Joey29 Posts: 458 ✭✭✭

    @MsMorrisine said:
    Need a loupe for that one.

    Aren’t bag marks and reed marks a form of post mint damage?

    This seems like a piece of the metal is missing, like it was gouged out

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,435 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A tiny contact mark in a non-prime focal area that's probably not visible or barely visible with the naked eye is allowable on a MS67.

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  • TonerGuyTonerGuy Posts: 590 ✭✭✭

    Here's a PCGS MS67 + with a lot of marks all over the cheek & neck... for $25,000

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Actually, that mark looks as if it could be the major contributor to the grade... Without it, it could be a 68. Cheers, RickO

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,435 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TonerGuy said:
    Here's a PCGS MS67 + with a lot of marks all over the cheek & neck... for $25,000

    And these marks are in prime focal areas. Don't forget that there are three higher grades so an MS67 doesn't have to be perfect.

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  • TonerGuyTonerGuy Posts: 590 ✭✭✭
    edited November 14, 2021 5:09AM

    @PerryHall said:

    @TonerGuy said:
    Here's a PCGS MS67 + with a lot of marks all over the cheek & neck... for $25,000

    And these marks are in prime focal areas. Don't forget that there are three higher grades so an MS67 doesn't have to be perfect.

    No there isnt 3 grades above this... there's never been a MS 69 or MS70 Peace $. And out of 666,782 graded Peace $ there are only 2 MS68s.

    This is one of the highest graded Peace $ ever to be graded by PCGS. Only 26 out of 666,782 have achieved the lofty grade of MS67+

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,435 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TonerGuy said:

    @PerryHall said:

    @TonerGuy said:
    Here's a PCGS MS67 + with a lot of marks all over the cheek & neck... for $25,000

    And these marks are in prime focal areas. Don't forget that there are three higher grades so an MS67 doesn't have to be perfect.

    No there isnt 3 grades above this... there's never been a MS 69 or MS70 Peace $. And out of 666,000 graded Peace $ there are only 2 MS68s.

    This is one of the highest graded Peace $ ever to be graded by PCGS. Only 29 out of 666,000 have achieved the lofty grade of MS67+

    I'm talking about the grading scale in general. There is an MS68, MS69, and a MS70. That's three higher grades.

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  • TonerGuyTonerGuy Posts: 590 ✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:

    I'm talking about the grading scale in general. There is an MS68, MS69, and a MS70. That's three higher grades.

    But if the grading scale only goes to MS68 in a particular series, you would have to assume that MS67+ should be nearly a perfect coin. I bet if I found a photo of a MS68 Peace $ it would have practically blemish free surfaces.

  • Jzyskowski1Jzyskowski1 Posts: 6,650 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Toner the scale is fixed with 70 being the top. Just because a series has no examples higher than 68 does not a 70 make 😉

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,435 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's entirely possible that there is a raw MS69 Peace dollar somewhere in the world. Not likely but it's certainly possible.

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  • Joey29Joey29 Posts: 458 ✭✭✭
    edited November 14, 2021 6:22AM

    @PerryHall said:

    @TonerGuy said:
    Here's a PCGS MS67 + with a lot of marks all over the cheek & neck... for $25,000

    And these marks are in prime focal areas. Don't forget that there are three higher grades so an MS67 doesn't have to be perfect.

    How is this possible. I have seen pictures of ms 65-66 dollars that look as good. This seems to be an error unless the photo is over magnifying the marks and they are so tiny when seen in hand. I don’t even know if I like it as a 66.

  • Joey29Joey29 Posts: 458 ✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:
    A tiny contact mark in a non-prime focal area that's probably not visible or barely visible with the naked eye is allowable on a MS67.

    My thread is about a mark that looks like a a gouge in the coin or missing metal, maybe damage not contact marks like you are saying

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,376 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 14, 2021 6:29AM

    @PerryHall said:
    A tiny contact mark in a non-prime focal area that's probably not visible or barely visible with the naked eye is allowable on a MS67 MS70.

    Fixed it for you.

    This looks like mint made error and the PCGS grading standard explicitly allows surface imperfections on 70 coins.

    https://www.pcgs.com/grades#grade70

    PCGS wrote:
    The PCGS 70 grading standard does allow for "as minted" defects, as long as those flaws are minor and do not impact the eye appeal of the coin.

    Here's one with a noticeable ding but is not in the focal area of the coin:

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