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Need some knowledgeable opinions for a 1798 Draped Bust Dollar

Herb_THerb_T Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭✭✭

Found this coin and I have a chance to buy it, but cautious about counterfeit versions. Your thoughts are appreciated.

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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 16,584 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It looks genuine but also nearly, if not, environmentally damaged.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

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    Herb_THerb_T Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:
    It looks genuine but also nearly, if not, environmentally damaged.

    So it may get a Details type of grade….but if not environmentally damaged what would be your opinion of a grade? I am guessing 12 to 15….

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    BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,930 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The rim bumps might hurt it a little. I'm seeing good to very good details. Maybe some of the loss of reverse stars and motto lettering is strike-related, but there's very little detail left in those regions.

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    YoloBagelsYoloBagels Posts: 169 ✭✭✭
    edited November 5, 2021 6:09PM

    Genuine, problem free, and very attractive/eye appealing with a strong circulation cameo.

    I don't see anything that would warrant a details grade, if you can get a good price on it it's 100% worth it IMO. Truly high quality but still affordable type piece. I'm leaning F-12 on this one.

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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 16,584 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 5, 2021 6:21PM

    @Herb_T said:

    @MFeld said:
    It looks genuine but also nearly, if not, environmentally damaged.

    So it may get a Details type of grade….but if not environmentally damaged what would be your opinion of a grade? I am guessing 12 to 15….

    My guess is VG10, (outside) shot F12.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

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    metalmeistermetalmeister Posts: 4,614 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks real. VG 10 is about right.

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    jdimmickjdimmick Posts: 9,941 ✭✭✭✭✭

    VG10 IMO also, it is a touch dark, I have had some over the years come back with enviornmental when they are dark like that

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    291fifth291fifth Posts: 25,169 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It would make an excellent album coin. If the price is right I'd go for it. You may be able to use the fact that it is raw as a bargaining point. I don't know if the major TPGs would straight grade it or not but I actually like the look of the coin.

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    RayboRaybo Posts: 5,352 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like it.
    I just like it and nice image BTW.

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    TomBTomB Posts: 22,960 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's real.

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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 33,832 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I’d go 10.

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    alefzeroalefzero Posts: 1,183 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Genuine. It is the BB-120/B-12 in the terminal die state.

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    alefzeroalefzero Posts: 1,183 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here is the coinfacts page for that die pair. Bowers says the terminal stage is very rare. I think that is a bit of an overestimation. You can find one now and then.

    https://pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1798-1-b-12-bb-120-pt-9-4-lines/40037

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    amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Hmmm, show me a graded Bust Dollar that isn't net graded in G-6 holder with that much meat on it. Perhaps you meant VG-F Details?

    @BryceM said:
    The rim bumps might hurt it a little. I'm seeing good to very good details. Maybe some of the loss of reverse stars and motto lettering is strike-related, but there's very little detail left in those regions.

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    amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    LOL! I would have just agreed with you if I saw your post before my previous post!

    @MFeld said:

    @Herb_T said:

    @MFeld said:
    It looks genuine but also nearly, if not, environmentally damaged.

    So it may get a Details type of grade….but if not environmentally damaged what would be your opinion of a grade? I am guessing 12 to 15….

    My guess is VG10, (outside) shot F12.

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It appears authentic, and would grade as above suggested. If the price is right, for a raw coin, I would jump on it. Cheers, RickO

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    BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yeah price is everything on this as it may very well end up in a details holder, but not for any rim issues. Since not everyone can afford a problem free silver dollar which circulated while George Washington was President there is a buyer market for these.

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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,509 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Broadstruck said:
    Yeah price is everything on this as it may very well end up in a details holder, but not for any rim issues. Since not everyone can afford a problem free silver dollar which circulated while George Washington was President there is a buyer market for these.

    Washington was president from 1789 to 1797 so he was a former president when this coin was minted but he may have carried and used this coin since he lived until Dec 14, 1799 which is very cool to contemplate. B)

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    braddickbraddick Posts: 25,106 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like it at FN12.

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