Has anyone seen this counterstamp before?
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Could be a one off, but thought I'd post on the chance someone has seen another or even maybe has one..
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La casa de moneda.
I’ve not seen that particular one before.
Looks like the mintmark for the Mexico City Mint.
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No idea why they would have been counterstamping anything (unless it was bullion bars) but that's what it looks like.
Posted on dark side as well, hopefully one of the many highly knowledgeable experts there will see and respond... like catching lightening in a bottle that, though. 🤯
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One more go.. anyone?
It's the mark used by the Mexico City Mint = La Casa de Moneda.
It can be seen on Mexican coins as a mintmark.
Perhaps a mint employee there in the die shop tried out a new punch.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
The rectangular hole is (usually) indicative of a nail used to adhere the coin above a doorway for luck. No other input on the counterstamp. Cheers, RickO
But how about as a punch?
I feel its intended to mimic the
Mexico City mm, but I am still curious if there are any known instances of the mint using punches for some reason?
Significantly larger than the mint mark, somewhat different shape...can't really see it as die punch that was used on a coin. THAT would be cool!
Back in the day that's how they got the mint mark on the die. Is that the same size as the Mint Mark? It looks too big to me.
I really like the square holes.. certainly they are often made with nails but more typically on dimes and such. I seem to see more of the larger square holes on Spanish Colonials for some reason..
This one looks to be cut somehow.
Very possibly some silver "harvesting" was going on here.
Ha, simul posting. See above 🙂
The punch is identical anyway you look at it. What I mean is, it could be used as is the case here, or as a punch to create a die. The negative and positive images are the same.
Maybe made to mark silver bars? Who knows.
The style is similar, but in the pics above, side by side with the Mo 8 reales ( largest Mo mint mark I know of..), the stamp is still significantly larger. And different serifs and shape. The o is different.
I don't think my bust half was struck with a die punch, as cool as that would be.
Did the Casa de monedas have other stamps for other purposes (bullion)?
IDK...it would be awesome to find a contemporary coin stamped as such, but my hunch is that if that were the case, there would be plenty around.
At this point, until I hear otherwise, im thinking mine is a one off. Someone fooling around.
Yes, you are correct. I was not being clear. The word I needed was "symmetrical". The M (and "o" above it) looks the same whether this is a regular punch or a reverse punch.
It would not surprise me at all if they marked bars they produced or refined (our mints did). You'd have to search around for a match somewhere.