MLB and gambling
Darin
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So several weeks ago I was watching the MLB network and learned MLB has an official gambling partner.
Can't remember for sure but was thinking it was MGM sportsbook. Then during a world series game I hear
Joe Buck say if you had bet on D'Arnould to go deep a $10 wager would have garnered $60.
So in the future am I going to be hearing an announcer say, 'Hey kids, have you opened up an online sportsbook account
with your parent's credit card like I told you to do? Good, now get ready to place a bet because in exactly 5 minutes
I'll be giving out the best gambling tip you'll get all day".
Okay MLB just put Rose in the Hall of Fame. Yes he made a huge error in judgement, but yours' is just as huge.
MLB Hypocrites!
And no don't tell me what Rose did is far worse than what MLB is doing right now. Because it isn't.
So would Bart Giamatti be rolling over in his grave about now? Seems like he at least tried to give baseball some integrity.
BTW football is just as bad, NFL network giving the game odds etc.
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I totally agree with you Darin. Especially the hypocrisy when it comes to the banning of Pete Rose. Every commercial during this World Series seems to revolve around betting or Draft Kings etc. MLB is so deep in bed with gambling now. You hit it spot on sir. I'm not anti gambling or about dictating people should not gamble or not, it's just the hypocrisy of MLB on this issue.
LandrysFedora, thanks I'm also not particularly anti gambling, adults can do what they want with their money.
I just don't think MLB or NFL should be associated with gambling, and since MLB is what is their argument for
keeping Rose out of the Hall now?
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MLB & NFL....Gambling is part of it and it effects the outcomes of some games. I don't like it but nothing I can do about it. 1919 Black Sox Scandal? It goes way, way back........just the way it is. MONEY!
Absolutely, Pete is long overdue to be inducted into the HOF. I just hope it doesn't happen posthumously, Pete is now 80. He has paid whatever price of punishment he had to by just being held out of the HOF for so long. MLB let Pete in!
Pete Rose could be kept out for reasons other than gambling. And when that was made clear to him at the time he AGREED to his ban, he knew there were transgressions that would be far more damaging revealed about him so he opted for the ban and the end of it.
And as I have said many times before, this ship has sailed. He lied about lying and lied more to cover it up to the point where you have to now question just about everything that comes from his mouth.
What - do you get 60 chances? Even Steve Howe only got like 5 or 6…
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Pete Rose was always my favorite player. Starting in his rookie season........63/64? I watched the television interview way back when he was accused of gambling on Reds games. He was asked a direct question about his gambling and as he answered the question his eyes looked down while he was answering. Right then, I told a much younger Lovely Mrs. Hydrant that he's lying. I didn't like it but..........Shoeless Joe Jackson......" Say it ain't so Joe."......problem is......it was so.
He should have just come clean. People are very forgiving when you tell the truth....... It's a sign of strength.
Clay feet.
When it comes to Pete Rose, his sins were NOT just gambling on baseball. Sure, he bet on games in which he played (a huge no-no). But he also pretty much ended the career of Ray Fosse when he slammed into him to score the winning run in an All-Star Game (that's an exhibition game, folks). Most people would forgive Pete for getting "way too rough in an All-Star game". However, I heard Pete do an interview many years after that game -- that is, many years after he saw what he had done to Fosse's career. And that a-hole Rose said that he "would slam the catcher the same way if it meant scoring a meaningful run in an All-Star game". Rose is a screwball -- I would keep him out of the HOF.
The two baseball games that have forever stuck in my memory was a double header. Reds/Dodgers. 68/69? Rose went 7 for 8 or maybe 8 for 9? I have never seen anyone before or since with better bat control or a better eye. Just waiting for his pitch and fouling off everything else.......he was magnificent!
That incident was bad......but.....try to understand, the competitive spirit in athletes is just what it is. It's in their nature. They can't control it no matter the circumstances....... Ray Fosse knew that and he never criticized Rose for that play as far as I know. If he did, I would like to know......professional athletes are a breed apart. That's why people talk about them, think about them, and idolize them..... endlessly!......They're different. Why do you think those guys play in the majors? They want to win! From the time they were in little league and on........that's why you like them. They're WINNERS.
Hydrant, this is a little different. Now we have MLB with an official gambling partner. In 1919 it was the player's
taking money because they were so underpaid.
In 2021 major league baseball endorses gambling on baseball. They don't care how many wrong messages
this sends out to kids who love to play baseball. Probably many of them will decide its easier to gamble on
baseball than to actually play it and they now have Joe Buck announcing during the world series how much
money they could have made if they had placed a particular bet.
Looking forward to a future episode of 'American Greed' when MLB is the topic of the show.
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I hear ya .....but..... I ain't buyin' it. It's an exhibition game -- and Rose had years to think about the Fosse incident. Both Rose and Fosse were Human Beings first -- MLB all-stars second. Rose did nothing in his life (that I'm aware of) that shows he is a good human being. Just for kicks, compare Rose to Buster Posey (my current favorite player) or to George Brett (my all-time favorite player). All three were great baseball players -- but only Rose is "an arse".
That's not even mentioning his predilection for underage girls.
it sure does seem hypocritical to keep guys out of the hof for gambling and actively endorse it for money.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
To the best of my knowledge, the MLB still does not allow players to bet on baseball.
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"To the best of my knowledge, the MLB still does not allow players to bet on baseball."
Makes sense to me. Players betting would create an obvious conflict of interest.
This is what had me liquidate my Rose collection. Not the gambling.
I’ll add that Pete was betting on baseball and his own team while managing that team.
I am not laying out all the reasons that is wrong because there are too many.
Those that believe things Pete Rose says say ‘But Pete never bet against his team.’ And I say prove that without Pete’s lies…I mean words. I meant words!
Then, all gets quiet.
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What stadium is it now that has a sports book in it? Sorry but that's hypocrite level BS right there, not even counting the message that sends to the kids when ads online or even the logo sponsors on jerseys are for gambling sites (soccer)
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1951wheaties- I'm not disputing that Rose bet on baseball and his own team while managing.
I'm just saying what MLB is doing right now, partnering with a sportsbook, is just as bad as what Rose did.
No good can come of this, mark my words. This is pure greed. They already have Joe Buck announcing the payouts
of what a particular wager would have been.
I'm not a Rose fan but I'm saying put him in, MLB can't have its cake and eat it too or whatever old saying applies in this case.
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I didn’t read the entire thread but my take on it is Gambling is an ancient custom, I’m 100% pro gambling, and pro “Other things” some that are probably not appropriate to post here but you get the picture. and no I’m not pro trafficking or pro drugs out side of cannabis.
On the subject of gambling it’s a choice that adults should be able to make and enjoy, it is dangerous for sure however responsible gambling is enjoyable.
Back in 1997 I went bankrupt from it and didn’t gamble for over 10 years but since then I enjoy it responsibly.
Pete Rose bet on his team that he was apart of and for that he deserved to get banned, there is no doubt in my mind that he bet for and against his own team. Compulsive and degenerate gamblers are like drug addicts who will lie cheat and steal as well as hurt loved ones if necessary to get their “Fix”
Regulated gambling is money for the state and government, should a billion dollar industry like MLB promote it? I say no, nor should any major sport have any part in it.
Pete Rose should be in the HOF if it could be proven that he didn’t bet on any game he was participating in and changed the outcome for his favor. If he bet on other teams as a player or manager that he wasn’t facing then I don’t have a problem with it.
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You make a lot of good points here. I honestly don't know the details of his story as much as some others do. Over the years I have read different arguments for and against his inclusion, and they both can be very affective. It seems to me that there is more to the story than is usually told. Meaning beyond the betting. And as for the betting, even if it were true that he never bet on games he was involved in, it seems to me that it still could have influenced decisions he made in those games.
I think you are confusing the issues. They aren’t really related. Gambling on sports is now legal across the country. The idea that team owners decided to invest in gaming is revenue based and offering fans another service from which they profit (most teams/leagues are in on one or the other) and to me is similar to opening dispensaries is stadiums - it’s weird because it was illegal forever.
I’m not spending much time on why betting against your own team is wrong and I’m pretty sure Pete did this as well. Regardless, even if you are betting on your own team to win only that still means you are managing that game differently than games you don’t have bets on, not to mention that you tacitly tell the book which games you don’t like anyway.
Perhaps most importantly, betting on sports and watching them go hand in hand and the moment people get the sense the fix is in the sport dies. Ask boxing and wrestling; once respected wildly sports that are now, well, not. Not the way they were when people thought they were 100% legit…
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No I'm not confusing the issues.
My mistake was mentioning Pete rose in the original post, because when you do that then Pete Rose
becomes the main focal point of the thread, which was not my intent.
My point was MLB or NFL or the individual teams should not be partnering with sportsbooks.
I realize gambling is more mainstream than it has ever been in U.S. history, but its getting ridiculous.
We are raising a society of kids now who are, gamers, gamblers, gremlins, ghouls, ghosts, and gobstoppers.
Sorry got carried away but it is Halloween.
Nobody growing up today is going to want to put in an honest day's work because they'll think there's easy money to be had.
Just place a few bets and scoop in the cash. Keep your hands off of my stash.
Enough of this do good good bull*%#@, I think I need a learjet. That type of thinking. Can't be good in the long run.
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my 2 cents...well, maybe a bit more:
First gambling on or not with the Reds:
https://thegruelingtruth.com/baseball/pete-rose-bet-reds-let-show/
Second sex with a 16 year old girl:
https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/ct-pete-rose-fired-fox-sports-20170901-story.html
"Rose, who was in his 30s and married with two children at the time, admitted to having a relationship with the woman but said the woman was 16."
Third He stonewalled the Commissioner by vehemently denying he did anything relating to betting on baseball. Then comes the epiphany and he fesses up to having done so, thinking this will end the suffering...NOT. IMO, this sealed his fate. I think if he had bitten the bullet and faced the music he would have been forgiven and at some point after perhaps several years, he would be in the HOF, which is gonna end up being his dying wish.
Fourth It is a RULE in MLB, no betting on baseball. I don't really GAS what the players do, but a rule is a rule. Violating the rule and condoning it would allow a precedent to be establish and then the horse has left the barn.
He excelled at what he did, but in life, he was a dirt bag of epic proportions. This issue is a self-inflicted wound that cost him what he cherished most, induction into the HOF...ain't gonna happen, and shouldn't. The guy was a loose canon and thought he could get away with anything, after all, he was "Pete Rose". His ego and stupidity, like ARod, will, IMO keep him out of the HOF and rightfully so.