69-70 Topps bbk pack with West and Havlicek showing! 86 Fleer four Jordan showing! Good investment?

SammyC

Thinking to invest money on wax packs and boxes that have star cards showing for a long time.

This pack and box might be a good investment?

1969-70 Topps bbk pack with Jerry West and John Havlicek showing
https://goldinauctions.com/LotDetail.aspx?inventoryid=118222

1986 Fleer Jordan showing box
https://goldinauctions.com/1986_87_Fleer_Basketball_Sealed_Unopened_Wax_Box__-LOT97517.aspx

rtimmer

I think both are a great investment 1986 Fleer is the top set to own and 1969 packs are fairly scarce especially with 2 HOFs showing. 👍

Nathaniel1960

There are some 69 Topps BKB pack rip vids out there and if you hit a good run of centering the cards come out amazing.

CaughtMyWow

There are some great documentation of packs like these:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ap-3QlOVzBg&t=6s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6h4w7pqGTQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUnJYUnpuco

CardGeek

How can they say that the fleer box is unopened and say that they know there are 4 Jordan stickers showing? It sounds like they're saying they looked at all the packs. Can't you tell if a Jordan is in the pack based on the card showing?

grote15

@CardGeek said:
How can they say that the fleer box is unopened and say that they know there are 4 Jordan stickers showing? It sounds like they're saying they looked at all the packs. Can't you tell if a Jordan is in the pack based on the card showing?

With a very strictly collated product like 86 Fleer, inspecting the packs is the way to determine if the box is original or not as all boxes should contain a certain number of stickers distributed per box.

rtimmer

@CardGeek said:
How can they say that the fleer box is unopened and say that they know there are 4 Jordan stickers showing? It sounds like they're saying they looked at all the packs. Can't you tell if a Jordan is in the pack based on the card showing?

You are correct they “opened” the box to confirm it had the right 4/3 sticker collation before wrapping it up.
And yes if you can see the front card (not the back sticker) on the pack you can tell if there’s a Jordan inside.

Cakes

That tallboy pack looks beat up to me. I would proceed with caution.

SammyC

@Cakes said:
That tallboy pack looks beat up to me. I would proceed with caution.

I kind of disagree. 69-70 Topps are extremely rare and it is BBCE certified, that's all it matters I guess. I rather invest on unopened materials that are deemed to be untampered with than getting packs that have all four corners are sharp but have been resealed. I have heard many GAI packs have been resealed but BBCE is definitely a way to go! But I appreciated of the feedbacks. Thank you.

$4k plus juice is a steal so far.

SammyC

There was a "1969/70 Topps Basketball Unopened Ten-Cent Wax Pack – GAI EX 5" which was in much worst condition sold for $19500 early this yr. And a full box that sold for almost half a million, I guess this BBCE pack won't go cheap, possibly $20k+?? Hopefully i can get it below that price! Wish me luck

handyman

What’s your max bid? I’ll bid 19999.98 if your willing to go 20k.
If that helps

Cakes

@SammyC said:

@Cakes said:
That tallboy pack looks beat up to me. I would proceed with caution.

I kind of disagree. 69-70 Topps are extremely rare and it is BBCE certified, that's all it matters I guess. I rather invest on unopened materials that are deemed to be untampered with than getting packs that have all four corners are sharp but have been resealed. I have heard many GAI packs have been resealed but BBCE is definitely a way to go! But I appreciated of the feedbacks. Thank you.

$4k plus juice is a steal so far.

I have no concerns about authenticity just the quality. I would be worried about the corners.

handyman

"I have no concerns about authenticity just the quality. I would be worried about the corners."

Agree and also top and bottom cards seem OC Tb.

SammyC

I personally don't expect those top/bottom cards would be able to get PSA10, due to corners touching the wrapper, wax/gum stains/scratches etc. But it is cool to have star cards showing to guarantee some valuable cards are inside. Buying wax packs pretty much should expect 10 common cards inside but pack like this one would at least guaranteed pulling 2 key cards from it. (Well, if I am lucky enough to win it, i don't plan on opening it anyways)

.... just my thought

SammyC

how much would it cost to authenticate packs like this anyways? anyone knows?

coinspacks

@SammyC said:
how much would it cost to authenticate packs like this anyways? anyone knows?

You would need a time machine to go back 15 years when gai did authentication. The bbce wrap is as good as it gets nowadays for these tall boys.

SammyC

I was told many GAI packs are actually bad (has tampered with before and still got encapsulated)

handyman

Is that pack not yours? Are you planning on buying it back?

tkersting

@handyman said:
Is that pack not yours? Are you planning on buying it back?

If true the OP needs to disclose this.

Also GAI pack authenticity depends on what “era” graded the pack. In general earlier serial number 100 and 101 tend to be better than later serial numbers. Saying that “many are bad” just isn’t true in my experience especially with early serial numbers.

handyman

The GAI 5 that sold for 19000 had the a Lew Alcindor rookie showing. Why leave that out if you are hoping to buy this pack.
Not cool.

SammyC

Are you saying this West and Havlicek showing pack worth much much more than $20k? since that Alcindor showing pack only has one star showing, in much worst condition and still sold for $19k?

SammyC

@tkersting said:

@handyman said:
Is that pack not yours? Are you planning on buying it back?

If true the OP needs to disclose this.

Also GAI pack authenticity depends on what “era” graded the pack. In general earlier serial number 100 and 101 tend to be better than later serial numbers. Saying that “many are bad” just isn’t true in my experience especially with early serial numbers.

not my pack, but i rather wish I own that 86 Fleer box. LOL

Cakes

@SammyC said:
Are you saying this West and Havlicek showing pack worth much much more than $20k? since that Alcindor showing pack only has one star showing, in much worst condition and still sold for $19k?

No we are saying the Kareem is the Top Dog! Are you seriously comparing Hav and a West card 8 years after his rookie season to a Karrem rookie.

This thread is getting odd, earlier you mentioned getting a PSA 10 which says a lot because you don't buy this pack expecting to be able to get a PSA 9 and you hope and pray you get some PSA 8's.

Either way like all packs they are a gamble, and if you win the bid I hope you hit big time. Scared money has never won.

handyman

I think the 4500 its going for is the highest most would pay. 20k is a pipe dream.
Seems some are trying to pump and dump this pack. Yet you are pumping your own hope to buy it?
Very odd and I do think the pack is yours.

SammyC

hope it will be mine...

FirstBeard

The people on this board are being very nice to you.

SammyC

thx for all the advices, I will stay quiet and not disclose any bid amounts to confuse/frustrate anyone next time. Sorry Team!

coinspacks

$20910 plus shipping and possible sales tax. Did you win?

SammyC

I was stupid and disclosed my bid and I feel I got shilled.

rtimmer

@SammyC said:
I was stupid and disclosed my bid and I feel I got shilled.

Does seem like the pack sold at full price but hope you enjoy it. 2 HOF showing is a real treat.

….I wonder what a Wilt showing rookie pack would sell for these days?

Cakes

https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1064308/octoberfest-of-cards-show-your-pickups#latest

That is a nice looking Kareem. I focused on key rookies of him, Brown, and Aaron for years and have seen a lot of cards, unless I am missing something, like the smudge near Milwaukee, or a small crease that I cannot see it is under graded. IMHO that is a fine example that took a ding under the recent modern grading scrutiny.
That exact example of card is why I would have avoided the recent 1969 Topps Tallboy unopened pack with West and Havlicek showing that sold at auction for 20K. Unless you somehow hit a PSA 8 or above Hav in addition to a Kareem PSA 6 or above, or some other PSA 9 star you would lose money if you opened the pack.

rtimmer

@Cakes said:

That exact example of card is why I would have avoided the recent 1969 Topps Tallboy unopened pack with West and Havlicek showing that sold at auction for 20K. Unless you somehow hit a PSA 8 or above Hav in addition to a Kareem PSA 6 or above, or some other PSA 9 star you would lose money if you opened the pack.

Yes almost certain to lose money opening the pack and grading the cards Inside, but that’s not why you’d buy this pack in the first place. The value is in the rarity of it being an unopened pack with 2 HOFs showing.

I own a few 1986 Fleer basketball packs with Charles Barkley showing on the front. The Barkley cards are most certainly ruined because the gum sits on top the pack but there’s only 10 example of these packs making them worth much more than a plain Fleer pack.