1978-D Ike possibly turned in the holder?
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I ran across this 1978-D Eisenhower Dollar in the upcoming Stack's Bowers auction and their picture of the obverse of the coin certainly reveals a lot that isn't in the Truview picture. Most obviously the mark/stain on the forehead. Do you think this is just the angle of lighting in the two pictures or is there some substance that has revealed itself since the coin was slabbed? I'm not sure what it is (?).
https://auctions.stacksbowers.com/lots/view/3-T9YEN/1978-d-eisenhower-dollar-ms-66-pcgs-cac
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It’s on the TrueView as well. This is a case where the lighting angle and style can make things more or less apparent.
It may very well have developed after it was slabbed. I can't see CAC thinking this was an exceptional 66+ with that mark on his head being there.
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
I agree with TurtleCat as you can see all the spotting outlines on the TV too.
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Mr_Spud
@Mr_Spud you beat me to it.
Fingerprint and a splotches on the forehead . Can't believe the bid already. Looks like a $15 coin to me.
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It's a shame but these things can happen.
CAC ignores plus grades when assessing coins. So at the time they stickered it, they apparently felt it was solid for an MS66, (not MS66+).
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Yeah, I agree with you. The blue color around the spot just wasn't apparent to me in the TV.
After seeing your pic, the coin now seems more appealing to me!
Thanks for the information.
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
Thanks for my best laugh all day! I can’t unsee it now!
And it's worth pointing out that it might look more like the Truview in hand and not the other way around.
Yes, possible. May have looked like that in the TV pics but since has progressed!
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
Actually, that's not what I meant. I meant that it might still look like the Truview in hand. It might be the other photo that has a lighting problem.
(Actually, that's not what I meant.)
Of course not..........what the hell was I thinking?????
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
I'm not sure what that is supposed to mean. It's not my fault that you misinterpreted what I was saying. I was simply trying to clarify for you, not pick an argument. But, you do you.
You've got two pictures that conflict. While it is possible the coin darkened, it is also possible that the coin hasn't changed at all. The newer picture might be more accurate than the older picture, or it could be the other way around. You can make a coin look better or worse in photos depending on the lighting. That is especially true when you have a thin film on the surface where directionally lighting can make it darker or all but disappear. The only way to know is to have the coin in hand.
It's actually possible that neither coin is wholly representative of the coin in hand.
@jmlanzaf (You've got two pictures that conflict. )
Of course. That's why I'm kinda booking' towards they call the pictures "Fantasy View" instead of "TrueView"
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
The solution to this problem is to ask Stacks which picture is more accurate in hand or to offer some ideas as to why the pictures look so different.
The mark, if as visible as the pictures 'appear' to indicate, would prevent me from buying that coin. Cheers, RickO
I would bet the TV is the truer view in this case. Otherwise, it would not 66 CAC.
Look at the obverse vs reverse color differences in the vStacks photos. Also notice how the toning near the rim has almost disappeared in the Stacks photo and the gold toning invisible. I assume your thesis is that the coin whitened with age?
But it stickered .
According to the forum collective wisdom, it must be among the best since it stickered. Some might even compare it to a Mercedes.
Yes, it did.
I think this thread is far more about lighting and photography than anything else.
Look at the color difference between the TV and the Stack's images.
PCGS True View images are notorious for being glamour shots. I’d put my money on the auction house photos being more accurate the sticker notwithstanding. I also think the spot was there all along. It is in the latest generation plastic and you can see shadows of the spot on the True View.
Except the TV shows more toning in other areas.
I agree that the spot was there all along.
"1978-D Ike possibly turned in the holder?"
Thought this was going to be another discussion of vibrating a rattler to rotate the coin...
Although not my series as I usually only see Ike's in antique or pawn shops... Those discoloration blotches are a normal occurrence on all the mint sets issued in cellophane.
pretty sure it was that ugly back when it was minted
11.5$ Southern Dollars, The little “Big Easy” set
But the marks are not usually this distracting.
66+ CAC? I don't know what to say.
It had to have turned.
Pete
yeah that is awful...
Nah. Just a bad picture.