@moursund said:
What are the odds that a 140-year-old, blast-white coin has not been dipped at some point?
How old is it okay for a blast white coin to be?
Depends on the type. Plenty of Morgans sat in the middle of a bag and stayed blast white.
Well, yeah. BTW, isn't the coin being discussed a Morgan dollar?
Yes, but it was a generic question that doesn't have a generic answer. Other questions raised in this thread apply rather broadly, but this particular question is very much type-dependent.
@airplanenut said:
Yes, but it was a generic question that doesn't have a generic answer.
You're of course free to take the question in whatever direction you like for whatever purpose you choose, but it wasn't asked as a generic question. It was asked of the OP based on his response to two other posters who commented on the specific coin he posted an image of above.
@airplanenut said:
Yes, but it was a generic question that doesn't have a generic answer.
You're of course free to take the question in whatever direction you like for whatever purpose you choose, but it wasn't asked as a generic question. It was asked of the OP based on his response to two other posters who commented on the specific coin he posted an image of above.
Which is why in addition to giving a general answer, I also provided a response specific to Morgans.
@airplanenut said:
Yes, but it was a generic question that doesn't have a generic answer.
You're of course free to take the question in whatever direction you like for whatever purpose you choose, but it wasn't asked as a generic question. It was asked of the OP based on his response to two other posters who commented on the specific coin he posted an image of above.
Which is why in addition to giving a general answer, I also provided a response specific to Morgans.
Which was helpful
So Morgans are more likely to be BU and original than,.. Barber halves, for example? (Barbers weren't minted in great excess and kept in bags for decades, right?)
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@airplanenut said:
Yes, but it was a generic question that doesn't have a generic answer.
You're of course free to take the question in whatever direction you like for whatever purpose you choose, but it wasn't asked as a generic question. It was asked of the OP based on his response to two other posters who commented on the specific coin he posted an image of above.
Which is why in addition to giving a general answer, I also provided a response specific to Morgans.
Which was helpful
So Morgans are more likely to be BU and original than,.. Barber halves, for example? (Barbers weren't minted in great excess and kept in bags for decades, right?)
am
Your mixing terminology. It is very easy for a Morgan to be untoned and original. Millions were stored in bags and only a few of those coins were exposed to the edge of the bag. Whatever was in the middle of the bag was unlikely to tone, so it would stay white; it's also original. Granted, some of those will get a light off-white skin (sometimes it's a bit frosty) but still, the coins are generally untoned. Even Barbers are new enough that some may have been put away, even if not in a Mint bag, and kept away from things that would tone them. But go further back... it's really unlikely that a capped bust half will be blast white and original (even if the lack of originality is just a dip, not necessarily a harsh cleaning). And to a similar degree, a circulated coin of that era is very, very unlikely to not have at least some grey color, where a lightly circulated Morgan or Peace dollar could remain pretty much untoned. There isn't necessarily a guaranteed rule to follow, but intuition can be a good guide--what would have had to happen for this coin to remain untoned without any dipping or cleaning, and how likely is it that that happened?
@airplanenut said:
Yes, but it was a generic question that doesn't have a generic answer.
You're of course free to take the question in whatever direction you like for whatever purpose you choose, but it wasn't asked as a generic question. It was asked of the OP based on his response to two other posters who commented on the specific coin he posted an image of above.
Which is why in addition to giving a general answer, I also provided a response specific to Morgans.
Which was helpful
So Morgans are more likely to be BU and original than,.. Barber halves, for example? (Barbers weren't minted in great excess and kept in bags for decades, right?)
am
Your mixing terminology. It is very easy for a Morgan to be untoned and original. Millions were stored in bags and only a few of those coins were exposed to the edge of the bag. Whatever was in the middle of the bag was unlikely to tone, so it would stay white; it's also original. Granted, some of those will get a light off-white skin (sometimes it's a bit frosty) but still, the coins are generally untoned. Even Barbers are new enough that some may have been put away, even if not in a Mint bag, and kept away from things that would tone them. But go further back... it's really unlikely that a capped bust half will be blast white and original (even if the lack of originality is just a dip, not necessarily a harsh cleaning). And to a similar degree, a circulated coin of that era is very, very unlikely to not have at least some grey color, where a lightly circulated Morgan or Peace dollar could remain pretty much untoned. There isn't necessarily a guaranteed rule to follow, but intuition can be a good guide--what would have had to happen for this coin to remain untoned without any dipping or cleaning, and how likely is it that that happened?
Yeah, I said BU instead of blast white... I tend to think of the Brilliant as connoting whiteness, but that often isn't the case, is it?
Thanks
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The 1881 s Morgan is VERY common in nice MS, and I would guess your coin is a low grade MS. I'm not saying you got ripped off, but there was a reason this coin had 0 bids.
Most collectors and others would want a nicer example. For just a few more dollars you could get a graded nicer coin.
@vplite99 said:
The 1881 s Morgan is VERY common in nice MS, and I would guess your coin is a low grade MS. I'm not saying you got ripped off, but there was a reason this coin had 0 bids.
Most collectors and others would want a nicer example. For just a few more dollars you could get a graded nicer coin.
... And paid another $30 or more, and not learned nearly as much...
Thanks,
Am
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@vplite99 said:
The 1881 s Morgan is VERY common in nice MS, and I would guess your coin is a low grade MS. I'm not saying you got ripped off, but there was a reason this coin had 0 bids.
Most collectors and others would want a nicer example. For just a few more dollars you could get a graded nicer coin.
... And paid another $30 or more, and not learned nearly as much...
Thanks,
Am
Yes, many have paid much more for their numismatic education. But this board provides a broader education at a lower cost.
@airplanenut said:
Yes, but it was a generic question that doesn't have a generic answer.
You're of course free to take the question in whatever direction you like for whatever purpose you choose, but it wasn't asked as a generic question. It was asked of the OP based on his response to two other posters who commented on the specific coin he posted an image of above.
Which is why in addition to giving a general answer, I also provided a response specific to Morgans.
Which was helpful
So Morgans are more likely to be BU and original than,.. Barber halves, for example? (Barbers weren't minted in great excess and kept in bags for decades, right?)
am
Your mixing terminology. It is very easy for a Morgan to be untoned and original. Millions were stored in bags and only a few of those coins were exposed to the edge of the bag. Whatever was in the middle of the bag was unlikely to tone, so it would stay white; it's also original. Granted, some of those will get a light off-white skin (sometimes it's a bit frosty) but still, the coins are generally untoned. Even Barbers are new enough that some may have been put away, even if not in a Mint bag, and kept away from things that would tone them. But go further back... it's really unlikely that a capped bust half will be blast white and original (even if the lack of originality is just a dip, not necessarily a harsh cleaning). And to a similar degree, a circulated coin of that era is very, very unlikely to not have at least some grey color, where a lightly circulated Morgan or Peace dollar could remain pretty much untoned. There isn't necessarily a guaranteed rule to follow, but intuition can be a good guide--what would have had to happen for this coin to remain untoned without any dipping or cleaning, and how likely is it that that happened?
Yeah, I said BU instead of blast white... I tend to think of the Brilliant as connoting whiteness, but that often isn't the case, is it?
Thanks
BU is generally a generic term to say uncirculated. Choice usually refers to a 63, gem to 65, and superb gem to 67, with the caveat that sellers who over grade with numbers can misuse those terms as well.
@vplite99 said:
The 1881 s Morgan is VERY common in nice MS, and I would guess your coin is a low grade MS. I'm not saying you got ripped off, but there was a reason this coin had 0 bids.
Most collectors and others would want a nicer example. For just a few more dollars you could get a graded nicer coin.
... And paid another $30 or more, and not learned nearly as much...
Thanks,
Am
You can also ask before making a purchase and get the knowledge for free, then decide on how your money is best spent once you know all the things to consider.
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Well, yeah. BTW, isn't the coin being discussed a Morgan dollar?
Yes, but it was a generic question that doesn't have a generic answer. Other questions raised in this thread apply rather broadly, but this particular question is very much type-dependent.
You're of course free to take the question in whatever direction you like for whatever purpose you choose, but it wasn't asked as a generic question. It was asked of the OP based on his response to two other posters who commented on the specific coin he posted an image of above.
Which is why in addition to giving a general answer, I also provided a response specific to Morgans.
Which was helpful
So Morgans are more likely to be BU and original than,.. Barber halves, for example? (Barbers weren't minted in great excess and kept in bags for decades, right?)
am
Your mixing terminology. It is very easy for a Morgan to be untoned and original. Millions were stored in bags and only a few of those coins were exposed to the edge of the bag. Whatever was in the middle of the bag was unlikely to tone, so it would stay white; it's also original. Granted, some of those will get a light off-white skin (sometimes it's a bit frosty) but still, the coins are generally untoned. Even Barbers are new enough that some may have been put away, even if not in a Mint bag, and kept away from things that would tone them. But go further back... it's really unlikely that a capped bust half will be blast white and original (even if the lack of originality is just a dip, not necessarily a harsh cleaning). And to a similar degree, a circulated coin of that era is very, very unlikely to not have at least some grey color, where a lightly circulated Morgan or Peace dollar could remain pretty much untoned. There isn't necessarily a guaranteed rule to follow, but intuition can be a good guide--what would have had to happen for this coin to remain untoned without any dipping or cleaning, and how likely is it that that happened?
Yeah, I said BU instead of blast white... I tend to think of the Brilliant as connoting whiteness, but that often isn't the case, is it?
Thanks
The 1881 s Morgan is VERY common in nice MS, and I would guess your coin is a low grade MS. I'm not saying you got ripped off, but there was a reason this coin had 0 bids.
Most collectors and others would want a nicer example. For just a few more dollars you could get a graded nicer coin.
... And paid another $30 or more, and not learned nearly as much...
Thanks,
Am
Yes, many have paid much more for their numismatic education. But this board provides a broader education at a lower cost.
BU is generally a generic term to say uncirculated. Choice usually refers to a 63, gem to 65, and superb gem to 67, with the caveat that sellers who over grade with numbers can misuse those terms as well.
You can also ask before making a purchase and get the knowledge for free, then decide on how your money is best spent once you know all the things to consider.
FWIW... I thought 62, maybe 63... and for $57 you did ok for a collector in the current market...
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Is the $57. price including shipping?
If so, you did fine. Not outstanding- just a decent price for a coin that will net out MS63'ish or so.
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It looks MS, in the 62-63 range.