Found two more slabbed Seated Liberty halves at GC with Cleaned/XF Details labels. 1854-O and a 1858-O. Both have good eye appeal. I will be watching the bids this week.
@privatecoin said:
I despise artificially white coins.
There wouldn't be any, if others didn't prefer them.
Just sayin'.
I was always taught that originality was more important in numismatics than clean white coins. I guess we call those "blast white" instead of "properly cleaned"
@privatecoin said:
I despise artificially white coins.
There wouldn't be any, if others didn't prefer them.
Just sayin'.
I was always taught that originality was more important in numismatics than clean white coins. I guess we call those "blast white" instead of "properly cleaned"
Originality is good. Ugly is bad. Some coins are both. Sometimes a dealer has to decide between keeping the originality or making the coin attractive enough that someone will actually want to buy it.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
@cnncoins said:
I also understand removing spots, etc,. from a coin is clearly doctoring...
Treat this as anecdotal, but JA has remarked several times that he doesn't mind spot removal as a conservation technique, but draws the line when there's raw (shiny) metal exposed.
That particular rejection criterion as exercised by TPGs seems applied erratically. YMMV
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - Geo. Orwell
I have seen proof platinum eagles develop hazing in slabs because the coins were improperly dipped before submission. Coins were released from the mint, and in an effort to achieve more 70 grades in the batch, they were dipped but unfortunately not rinsed correctly. This caused a temporary “beautification” to the surfaces when immediately submitted for grading, then as time went on the hazing developed from the dipping substance.
Rick, I was referring to moving metal. Should have been clearer. Some spots/dirt are easily removed with a toothpick applied carefully and do nothing to harm the surface.
Common sense says dipping makes changes to a coin that many would consider favorable so it is acceptable to many collectors and dealers as it will probably increase the value. BUT make no mistake that just because it is acceptable does not change the fact of what it does. I have always preferred coins in there original state but am not foolish enough to believe that 100+ year old coins have not been messed with and I do not mean all have but many have in acceptable or unacceptable ways.
JMO
Al
In my little world dipping = cleaning. Not doctoring. And I don't like cleaned coins. The tpgs and market recognize only harshly cleaned which dipping is not.
Two quick stories as others have shared.
I was a vest pocket dealer in my teens, 1975, well before third party grading. Purchased a group of coins including 100 1925 Peace dollars, all in 2x2's, and original golden toned. For some reason 1925's are prone to this which I love. All were nice enough for the then current greysheet gem standards. Took them to 4 shows over 2 weekends. Sold none. Had a bank note due. Dipped the 90 I did not want to keep and sold them all the next weekend. Same dealers.
Years later. Talking with Martin Paul (RIP) before an auction floor session about an early dime I wanted to buy. He said I would not be able to buy it. I asked why? He told me because I believed coins had feelings. As far as dipping (etc.) goes, that man in his time had more cojones than anyone.
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I also understand removing spots, etc,. from a coin is clearly doctoring...
I despise artificially white coins.
Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value. Zero. Voltaire. Ebay coinbowlllc
There wouldn't be any, if others didn't prefer them.
Just sayin'.
Found two more slabbed Seated Liberty halves at GC with Cleaned/XF Details labels. 1854-O and a 1858-O. Both have good eye appeal. I will be watching the bids this week.
I was always taught that originality was more important in numismatics than clean white coins. I guess we call those "blast white" instead of "properly cleaned"
Originality is good. Ugly is bad. Some coins are both. Sometimes a dealer has to decide between keeping the originality or making the coin attractive enough that someone will actually want to buy it.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
No - I call it conservation. However there are good dip candidates and not so good ones. It’s a subjective process based on experience. YMMV.
Treat this as anecdotal, but JA has remarked several times that he doesn't mind spot removal as a conservation technique, but draws the line when there's raw (shiny) metal exposed.
That particular rejection criterion as exercised by TPGs seems applied erratically. YMMV
Absolutely wrong. The tail doesn't wag the dog. TPGs cleaning criteria has never precluded "dipping".
1madman Previously Posted - August 8, 2021
I have seen proof platinum eagles develop hazing in slabs because the coins were improperly dipped before submission. Coins were released from the mint, and in an effort to achieve more 70 grades in the batch, they were dipped but unfortunately not rinsed correctly. This caused a temporary “beautification” to the surfaces when immediately submitted for grading, then as time went on the hazing developed from the dipping substance.
Rick, I was referring to moving metal. Should have been clearer. Some spots/dirt are easily removed with a toothpick applied carefully and do nothing to harm the surface.
Common sense says dipping makes changes to a coin that many would consider favorable so it is acceptable to many collectors and dealers as it will probably increase the value. BUT make no mistake that just because it is acceptable does not change the fact of what it does. I have always preferred coins in there original state but am not foolish enough to believe that 100+ year old coins have not been messed with and I do not mean all have but many have in acceptable or unacceptable ways.
JMO
Al
In my little world dipping = cleaning. Not doctoring. And I don't like cleaned coins. The tpgs and market recognize only harshly cleaned which dipping is not.
Two quick stories as others have shared.
I was a vest pocket dealer in my teens, 1975, well before third party grading. Purchased a group of coins including 100 1925 Peace dollars, all in 2x2's, and original golden toned. For some reason 1925's are prone to this which I love. All were nice enough for the then current greysheet gem standards. Took them to 4 shows over 2 weekends. Sold none. Had a bank note due. Dipped the 90 I did not want to keep and sold them all the next weekend. Same dealers.
Years later. Talking with Martin Paul (RIP) before an auction floor session about an early dime I wanted to buy. He said I would not be able to buy it. I asked why? He told me because I believed coins had feelings. As far as dipping (etc.) goes, that man in his time had more cojones than anyone.
My 1866 Philly Mint Set
Isaac Newton might disagree