so just to reconfirm your knowledge, apparently the man of the pokemon world basically agrees with you! while he doesnt say it is definitely is the first card, he doesnt say it isnt either. 😀
which…..is good enough for me and completely legitimizes you and all the info youve provided the board thus far. so thank you for being our resident pokemon guru!
anytime and thank you again. what are your thoughts on what he said about the ‘96 tcg set as a whole? are those cards not numbered like the blue backs are, ie 001 bulbasaur?
The 1996 Japanese Pocket Monsters set consists of 69 Character Cards, 26 Trainer Cards and 7 Energy Cards. This is consistent with the PSA population report for that set, (And coincidently, it also matches the 1999 American Pokemon release).
The 69 Character Cards from the 1996 Japanese Pocket Monsters set are numbered according to their Pokedex numbering (where #1 is Bulbasaur, #2 is Ivysaur, #6 is Charizard, #150 is Mewtwo).
Notice that even though there are only 69 Character Cards -
In the 1996 Japanese Pocket Monsters set, the numbering of the 69 character cards is not sequential from 1-69!!
Regardless of the fact that they are not numbered sequentially, the answer to your question is YES...they are numbered!!!!
So that is the good news....the not so good news is that:
In the 1996 Japanese Pocket Monsters set, the 26 Trainer Cards and 7 Energy Cards are not numbered!!
Because of these un-numbered cards, it would be hard to say "What card was printed first?", but you would think (kind of logically) that the numbered character cards would take some priority over the un-numbered cards.
Additionally (and this was mentioned prior in my original posts and clarified along the way) there are "No Rarity Symbol" versions of all of the 69 Character cards, 26 Trainer Cards, and 1 of the Energy Cards.
These 96 "No Rarity Symbol" cards are part of the 1996 Japanese Pocket Monster set, and it is believed that these cards preceded the more available "rarity symbol" versions.
So in the 1996 Japanese Pocket Monsters set, the "No Rarity Symbol" cards have the distinction of being the earliest version of the cards in that set.
That the leaves the #1 Bulbasaur “No Rarity Symbol” card from the 1996 Japanese Pocket Monsters set in a similar situation as in the Topsun blue back un-numbered set we discussed previously. I think the email from your friend confirms this.
What I also think he is talking about when he says "which may or may not be first card" is the fact that the copyright for the Game Freak, Pokemon characters was awarded in 1995. All of the American cards are released with that 1995 date on the card (even though they came out and were distributed in many different years) , and the 1996 Japanese Pocket Monster set was also released with that 1995 date on the back of the card (even though we know that they were distributed in 1996, the same year as the video game).
So the question that I think he had is - when were all of the Topsun Cards distributed? There is clear indication that the blue backs un-numbered cards came first, the blue back numbered cards came next, and finally the green numbered cards came third. So if the adding of the numbering for these (blue and green backs) happened around the 1996 timeframe when the video game came out (or even later like 1997), then the question of the timing of the release of the un-numbered ones still remains a little unclear.
This then becomes a "which came first becomes the chicken or the egg?" scenario. And I think that is what your friend is alluding to.
I have tried to relate all of this to my own understanding, but as always I welcome any other discussion.
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Or the one. Live long, and prosper.
Thanks @1951WheatiesPremium Half the fun of collecting is figuring your stuff out, the other half is helping others figure their stuff out!
One of the "younger" guys at work has a young son that is into pokemon, probably the newer ones I have no idea.
Anyway long story short he got me thinking about the ones I have because he was ticked about some junk cards he bought for his son from amazon for +/-$50, this was about a month ago. So I went home and collected the regular cards from the basement went through them and gave him about 30 cards that were duplicates from long ago. Remembered where the holo cards were and looked at them over the holidays. I knew I had one charizard but forgot about the other two and the dark one.
His son was ecstatic about the nice perfect old cards. Now the ball is rolling one these forgotten relics.
Can someone help me identify these cards? I don’t know year,
These are pocket monsters.
I put together a 1997 Japanese Team Rocket holofoil set recently and thought I would share a few more of the pictures here. Notice that the bold “R” on the card signifies the Rocket set.
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Or the one. Live long, and prosper.
As I was a 5th/6th grader during the start of the pokemon craze, it's interesting seeing so much confusion there is now behind pokemon cards. Also makes me sick seeing prices on these things now after gifting my collection to my younger brother around 2003 and later my dad just tossed everything in the trash when moving. I remember before the WotC cards really started making it big and the gameboy games were just getting popular, lunchables had cutout cards on the back of boxes. Seeing the last few months that people not only collect but have graded SI for kids tear out cards, makes me wonder what the market would be for those old lunchable cards.
Edit: Just did a quick google search and even those seem to fetch a decent price for just being a goofy promo. Here is a picture stolen from someone on reddit.
@omgjedi Alas, so goes the way of many our childhood cardboard treasures!!
Thanks so much for sharing pictures of these cut outs that you remembered. I personally have never seen them before and it adds a nice update to this ongoing thread.
Well done!
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Or the one. Live long, and prosper.
@threeofsix said: @omgjedi Alas, so goes the way of many our childhood cardboard treasures!!
Thanks so much for sharing pictures of these cut outs that you remembered. I personally have never seen them before and it adds a nice update to this ongoing thread.
Well done!
Unfortunately, many of the cards posted in this thread I had. Lot of first edition and holo's. Had a non first edition base set Charizard, which wasn't a great attacker but had that 120 hp. Wasn't until Blaine's Arcanine that you could one shot it. Stopped playing around the Team Rocket series, but used to go to a lot of the toys r us and wizards of the coast game days to play. They would give you a stamp booklet that you would get filled out for playing matches, trading, and showing up. Each page represented a gym from the first game. When you completed the page you would get a "badge" pin and usually they had promo cards they would give out.
And glad it's of some use. As mentioned, those were on the back on lunchables around 1999 to promote the US release of Red/Blue games. Wish I had my old middle school yearbook still, they had a picture of me and some friends trading at school before they banned them due to thefts and fights over bad trades. I got ripped off by my best friend even! He had a Japanese TR Charmander (my favorite Pokemon) before the TR set was released in US. Told me it was a super rare card, which I guess he wasn't completely lying since it wasn't something you found everywhere for a 11ish year old kid, but he wanted 2 holo rares and wouldn't let me see the card until the trade was done. Then when I got the card and saw it was a common got a little upset, but I made the trade so took my costly loss as a lesson learned and was still happy to have a new Charmander card to add to my collection.
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so just to reconfirm your knowledge, apparently the man of the pokemon world basically agrees with you! while he doesnt say it is definitely is the first card, he doesnt say it isnt either. 😀
which…..is good enough for me and completely legitimizes you and all the info youve provided the board thus far. so thank you for being our resident pokemon guru!
@blurryface Wow!!! I am really happy that my recollection has lined up with some real factual expertise!!!! Again…thanks for sharing.
Live long, and prosper.
anytime and thank you again. what are your thoughts on what he said about the ‘96 tcg set as a whole? are those cards not numbered like the blue backs are, ie 001 bulbasaur?
@blurryface That's a good follow-up question.
The 1996 Japanese Pocket Monsters set consists of 69 Character Cards, 26 Trainer Cards and 7 Energy Cards. This is consistent with the PSA population report for that set, (And coincidently, it also matches the 1999 American Pokemon release).
The 69 Character Cards from the 1996 Japanese Pocket Monsters set are numbered according to their Pokedex numbering (where #1 is Bulbasaur, #2 is Ivysaur, #6 is Charizard, #150 is Mewtwo).
Notice that even though there are only 69 Character Cards -
In the 1996 Japanese Pocket Monsters set, the numbering of the 69 character cards is not sequential from 1-69!!
Regardless of the fact that they are not numbered sequentially, the answer to your question is YES...they are numbered!!!!
So that is the good news....the not so good news is that:
In the 1996 Japanese Pocket Monsters set, the 26 Trainer Cards and 7 Energy Cards are not numbered!!
Because of these un-numbered cards, it would be hard to say "What card was printed first?", but you would think (kind of logically) that the numbered character cards would take some priority over the un-numbered cards.
Additionally (and this was mentioned prior in my original posts and clarified along the way) there are "No Rarity Symbol" versions of all of the 69 Character cards, 26 Trainer Cards, and 1 of the Energy Cards.
These 96 "No Rarity Symbol" cards are part of the 1996 Japanese Pocket Monster set, and it is believed that these cards preceded the more available "rarity symbol" versions.
So in the 1996 Japanese Pocket Monsters set, the "No Rarity Symbol" cards have the distinction of being the earliest version of the cards in that set.
That the leaves the #1 Bulbasaur “No Rarity Symbol” card from the 1996 Japanese Pocket Monsters set in a similar situation as in the Topsun blue back un-numbered set we discussed previously. I think the email from your friend confirms this.
What I also think he is talking about when he says "which may or may not be first card" is the fact that the copyright for the Game Freak, Pokemon characters was awarded in 1995. All of the American cards are released with that 1995 date on the card (even though they came out and were distributed in many different years) , and the 1996 Japanese Pocket Monster set was also released with that 1995 date on the back of the card (even though we know that they were distributed in 1996, the same year as the video game).
So the question that I think he had is - when were all of the Topsun Cards distributed? There is clear indication that the blue backs un-numbered cards came first, the blue back numbered cards came next, and finally the green numbered cards came third. So if the adding of the numbering for these (blue and green backs) happened around the 1996 timeframe when the video game came out (or even later like 1997), then the question of the timing of the release of the un-numbered ones still remains a little unclear.
This then becomes a "which came first becomes the chicken or the egg?" scenario. And I think that is what your friend is alluding to.
I have tried to relate all of this to my own understanding, but as always I welcome any other discussion.
Live long, and prosper.
@ccmorgan here it is.
Live long, and prosper.
Good on ya, @threeofsix !!!
You’re a good egg.
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Thanks @1951WheatiesPremium Half the fun of collecting is figuring your stuff out, the other half is helping others figure their stuff out!
Live long, and prosper.
One of the "younger" guys at work has a young son that is into pokemon, probably the newer ones I have no idea.
Anyway long story short he got me thinking about the ones I have because he was ticked about some junk cards he bought for his son from amazon for +/-$50, this was about a month ago. So I went home and collected the regular cards from the basement went through them and gave him about 30 cards that were duplicates from long ago. Remembered where the holo cards were and looked at them over the holidays. I knew I had one charizard but forgot about the other two and the dark one.
His son was ecstatic about the nice perfect old cards. Now the ball is rolling one these forgotten relics.
@ccmorgan EXCELLENT!!! Always fun to keep the ball rolling!!! Especially for young collectors!
Live long, and prosper.
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Can someone help me identify these cards? I don’t know year,
These are pocket monsters.
They are 1997 Japanese Jungle Pokemon cards. If it isn't a Holo, then really no raw value.
Found these square cut base cards - kind of interesting - and thought of this thread.
Bosox1976
Also thought I’d share some Black Star Promo’s, which are a fun way to collect through the years - they seem to release a few of them every so often.
Bosox1976
I put together a 1997 Japanese Team Rocket holofoil set recently and thought I would share a few more of the pictures here. Notice that the bold “R” on the card signifies the Rocket set.
Live long, and prosper.
@Bosox1976 I've heard of them....but never seen them. Thanks for adding these to this thread!
Live long, and prosper.
@Bosox1976 AND....fabulous promos!!!!! Thanks again for sharing!!!
(By the way...I saw an EBAY ad for a complete set of 53 black star promos recently....I wasnt aware that there were that many!)
Live long, and prosper.
As I was a 5th/6th grader during the start of the pokemon craze, it's interesting seeing so much confusion there is now behind pokemon cards. Also makes me sick seeing prices on these things now after gifting my collection to my younger brother around 2003 and later my dad just tossed everything in the trash when moving. I remember before the WotC cards really started making it big and the gameboy games were just getting popular, lunchables had cutout cards on the back of boxes. Seeing the last few months that people not only collect but have graded SI for kids tear out cards, makes me wonder what the market would be for those old lunchable cards.
Edit: Just did a quick google search and even those seem to fetch a decent price for just being a goofy promo. Here is a picture stolen from someone on reddit.
@omgjedi Alas, so goes the way of many our childhood cardboard treasures!!
Thanks so much for sharing pictures of these cut outs that you remembered. I personally have never seen them before and it adds a nice update to this ongoing thread.
Well done!
Live long, and prosper.
Unfortunately, many of the cards posted in this thread I had. Lot of first edition and holo's. Had a non first edition base set Charizard, which wasn't a great attacker but had that 120 hp. Wasn't until Blaine's Arcanine that you could one shot it. Stopped playing around the Team Rocket series, but used to go to a lot of the toys r us and wizards of the coast game days to play. They would give you a stamp booklet that you would get filled out for playing matches, trading, and showing up. Each page represented a gym from the first game. When you completed the page you would get a "badge" pin and usually they had promo cards they would give out.
And glad it's of some use. As mentioned, those were on the back on lunchables around 1999 to promote the US release of Red/Blue games. Wish I had my old middle school yearbook still, they had a picture of me and some friends trading at school before they banned them due to thefts and fights over bad trades. I got ripped off by my best friend even! He had a Japanese TR Charmander (my favorite Pokemon) before the TR set was released in US. Told me it was a super rare card, which I guess he wasn't completely lying since it wasn't something you found everywhere for a 11ish year old kid, but he wanted 2 holo rares and wouldn't let me see the card until the trade was done. Then when I got the card and saw it was a common got a little upset, but I made the trade so took my costly loss as a lesson learned and was still happy to have a new Charmander card to add to my collection.
@omgjedi Wow…the art of the childhood deal gone wrong!! On top of the cards all getting thrown out!!! (I feel your pain!)
Thankfully you got plenty of playing time in the middle!!
Live long, and prosper.
This was a very interesting read! Thanks for sharing all of this knowledge on these cards!
@Parkerplenty123 You are very welcome!!! Glad you found it helpful!!!
Live long, and prosper.