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moursundmoursund Posts: 3,207 ✭✭✭✭✭

Is this a bad plan?

I'd hate to come back in a few years and find my indian heads all green and fuzzy...

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    SonorandesertratSonorandesertrat Posts: 5,695 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If they were MS red coins, I would say that storing them like that would be a very bad idea. In the 18th century, some tin medals were produced from planchets that had small copper plugs inserted into them--the copper acted as a sacrificial anode, preventing the tin from being oxidized (tin pest is black). Your Indian Head cents are already oxidized and have additional dirt and whatnot on their surfaces, so it won't matter. This said, I wouldn't store any coins like that, no matter what the container is made of.

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    moursundmoursund Posts: 3,207 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Sonorandesertrat said:
    If they were MS red coins, I would say that storing them like that would be a very bad idea. In the 18th century, some tin medals were produced from planchets that had small copper plugs inserted into them--the copper acted as a sacrificial anode, preventing the tin from being oxidized (tin pest is black). Your Indian Head cents are already oxidized and have additional dirt and whatnot on their surfaces, so it won't matter. This said, I wouldn't store any coins like that, no matter what the container is made of.

    Hmm... how would you store your indian cents, worth a couple of bucks apiece? I don't much feel like putting them in flips.

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    SonorandesertratSonorandesertrat Posts: 5,695 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Put them in flips. Don't treat them like loose pocket change.

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    moursundmoursund Posts: 3,207 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Too nice to spend, too common to sell, too cool to give away, too much bother to put into individual flips. :smiley:

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    Jzyskowski1Jzyskowski1 Posts: 6,651 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Check with wizard coin supply or someone like that. The plastic tubes would be better. Now for the cheesy movie type quote “you got to ask yourself it putting metal in metal really a good idea?””well is it?”😂😂😂😂

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    SoldiSoldi Posts: 2,024 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sucrets Tins Rock Dude

    Wat kinda grandma you got anyways? Doesn't have a sucret full ol Indian cents

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    AercusAercus Posts: 381 ✭✭✭✭

    In general, metal on metal is a bad plan. Coin tubes. Cheap and convenient.

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    Steven59Steven59 Posts: 8,294 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Right, if not 2x2's then plastic Cent rolls. BCW makes great screw top rolls

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    SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,257 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Everything is bad for copper, well almost everything.

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 32,003 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would never recommend metal anything. You run the risk of a redox reaction. That said, I think those "tins" are aluminum, aren't they? If so, they are perfectly safe.

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    Steven59Steven59 Posts: 8,294 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 31, 2021 4:17PM

    @jmlanzaf said:
    I would never recommend metal anything. You run the risk of a redox reaction. That said, I think those "tins" are aluminum, aren't they? If so, they are perfectly safe.

    Pretty sure they are ferrous metal - then the newer ones are now plastic. I doubt you can stamp aluminum that thin and have it retain it's form and function. Not to mention the cost.

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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 45,444 ✭✭✭✭✭

    When I was a kid, I and my friends who collected coins would store miscellaneous low-value coins in cigar boxes. Seemed to work well and you could get the cigar boxes for free at tobacco shops.

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    philographerphilographer Posts: 1,310 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Putting...coins...in...flips....just...too...difficult.

    Phew, i need a rest.

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    HydrantHydrant Posts: 7,773 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 31, 2021 5:13PM

    I had a tin box that I carried in my truck that I put junk in. I had a roll of 1996 Kennedy halfs that I broke open and left in the box. The truck got old so I just used it for work around the ranch. I forgot about the tin box. 15 years later I saw the box behind the seat. Wow! Those Kennedy halfs were toned a magnificent blue! Beautiful! I think it was a combination of dry weather and heat.

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    SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,257 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 31, 2021 5:17PM

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    SonorandesertratSonorandesertrat Posts: 5,695 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @philographer said:
    Putting...coins...in...flips....just...too...difficult.

    Phew, i need a rest.

    OTOH, opening a Sucrets tin might suppress one's urge to cough. :p

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    oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 11,909 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Sonorandesertrat said:

    @philographer said:
    Putting...coins...in...flips....just...too...difficult.

    Phew, i need a rest.

    OTOH, opening a Sucrets tin might suppress one's urge to cough. :p

    So would a laxative...c'mon man, you had to have heard of that joke?

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    Steven59Steven59 Posts: 8,294 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @oih82w8 said:

    @Sonorandesertrat said:

    @philographer said:
    Putting...coins...in...flips....just...too...difficult.

    Phew, i need a rest.

    OTOH, opening a Sucrets tin might suppress one's urge to cough. :p

    So would a laxative...c'mon man, you had to have heard of that joke?

    LOL! Yes, My Dad always told that - Forget cough syrup - take a laxative then you'll be scared to cough!

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    moursundmoursund Posts: 3,207 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Steven59 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:
    I would never recommend metal anything. You run the risk of a redox reaction. That said, I think those "tins" are aluminum, aren't they? If so, they are perfectly safe.

    Pretty sure they are ferrous metal - then the newer ones are now plastic. I doubt you can stamp aluminum that thin and have it retain it's form and function. Not to mention the cost.

    Yah, i just stuck a magnet against one of the sucrets tins. Steele, as expected.

    The problem with putting the indian pennies into a tube is, you can't open the lid and see a nice jumble of indian cents. They are cool to look at, but not so much when in a tube.

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    ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 31, 2021 7:12PM

    How about in something plastic, like a soap dish or mini-Tupperware?

    edited to add:
    Jeez :'(

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 32,003 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Steven59 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:
    I would never recommend metal anything. You run the risk of a redox reaction. That said, I think those "tins" are aluminum, aren't they? If so, they are perfectly safe.

    Pretty sure they are ferrous metal - then the newer ones are now plastic. I doubt you can stamp aluminum that thin and have it retain it's form and function. Not to mention the cost.

    You might be right. I haven't handled Sucrets in decades.

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    Steven59Steven59 Posts: 8,294 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @moursund said:
    {The problem with putting the indian pennies into a tube is, you can't open the lid and see a nice jumble of indian cents. They are cool to look at, but not so much when in a tube.}

    True - well then you can spend the extra moolah and get an Dansco Blank Cent album - around 25$ if you can find one. I bought one for my FE coins and have extra room for the Indian Cents...........

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    HydrantHydrant Posts: 7,773 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Put your coins in Duke Cannon Oak Barrel tins. I don't know if it's good for copper but your pennies will smell MANLY....and.... The chicks at the register will dig it when you make exact change. 😍💕💋

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I recommend an album, if they are album extras, then a plastic coin tube would be next. If you just like them loose, than a mini plastic food container (they come in all sizes). Cheers, RickO

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    OldhoopsterOldhoopster Posts: 2,930 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @moursund said:

    @Steven59 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:
    I would never recommend metal anything. You run the risk of a redox reaction. That said, I think those "tins" are aluminum, aren't they? If so, they are perfectly safe.

    Pretty sure they are ferrous metal - then the newer ones are now plastic. I doubt you can stamp aluminum that thin and have it retain it's form and function. Not to mention the cost.

    Yah, i just stuck a magnet against one of the sucrets tins. Steele, as expected.

    The problem with putting the indian pennies into a tube is, you can't open the lid and see a nice jumble of indian cents. They are cool to look at, but not so much when in a tube.

    You run the risk of the coins sliding around, over each other as well as the steel container. The more you move/open/carry the container, the more movement/sliding you'll have. In addition, there is a chance that there is contamination on the steel surface from the old sucrets or wrappers. And the steel can rust over time.

    IMO, that's not a good long term storage option. But its your collection, so do what you wish. Choose wisely.

    Honestly, if it's too much trouble putting a coin in a flip or 2x2, I would hate to know your thoughts on albums.

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    moursundmoursund Posts: 3,207 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Oldhoopster said:

    @moursund said:

    @Steven59 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:
    I would never recommend metal anything. You run the risk of a redox reaction. That said, I think those "tins" are aluminum, aren't they? If so, they are perfectly safe.

    Pretty sure they are ferrous metal - then the newer ones are now plastic. I doubt you can stamp aluminum that thin and have it retain it's form and function. Not to mention the cost.

    Yah, i just stuck a magnet against one of the sucrets tins. Steele, as expected.

    The problem with putting the indian pennies into a tube is, you can't open the lid and see a nice jumble of indian cents. They are cool to look at, but not so much when in a tube.

    You run the risk of the coins sliding around, over each other as well as the steel container. The more you move/open/carry the container, the more movement/sliding you'll have. In addition, there is a chance that there is contamination on the steel surface from the old sucrets or wrappers. And the steel can rust over time.

    IMO, that's not a good long term storage option. But its your collection, so do what you wish. Choose wisely.

    Honestly, if it's too much trouble putting a coin in a flip or 2x2, I would hate to know your thoughts on albums.

    For my common Buffalo nickels and Indian cents I should probably get some of those small self-adhesive flips, and some sheets to hold them.

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    OldhoopsterOldhoopster Posts: 2,930 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't recommend self adhesive 2x2s. There is a potential for the adhesive to off gas and/or react with the coin long term.

    I prefer the regular 2x2s (make sure you crimp the staples) or Mylar plastic flips, like Saf-Flip. DO NOT use any plastic flips that contain PVC, as the plasticizer that makes these soft and pliable can react and form hydrochloric acid (which doesn't play well with coins)

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    3stars3stars Posts: 2,282 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Seems like everything is bad for copper…

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    OldEastsideOldEastside Posts: 4,602 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No, actually Sucrets is good for a coffer .......................oh my bad :blush:

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