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What does "Previously loaded" mean regarding The Set Registry?????

GRANDAMGRANDAM Posts: 8,710 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited July 7, 2021 2:57AM in U.S. Coin Forum

Never mind,,,,,,,,,, I figured it out,,,,,,,,,

I was trying to add a NON-CAC coin to my CAC only Registry Set. :o

It went into my NON-CAC Registry Set OK.

All I have to do now is send it to NJ for a little green bean,,,,, guaranteed a BEAN,,,, ;)

Yeah right,,,,,,, bet you never heard that before,,,,,

We will know shortly,,,,,,,,

It has a heck of a strike,,,,,,, very few marks,,,,,,, nice original surfaces,,,,,,,,

That is a die crack running thru the neck,,,,, my current MS65 coin has the exact same crack,,,,, not a scratch.

Another die crack on the reverse running thru United States.

Since CAC doesn't consider a + grade I don't see how it can not CAC.
It is clearly a superior coin to the MS65 CAC Coin currently in my set.

Here it is,,,,,, what do you all think? Bean or no Bean?

MS65+

Here is my current MS65 CAC Coin,,,,, the strike pales in comparison to the MS65+ Coin.

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Update:

I heard back from PCGS and “Previously loaded” means that coin number is already part of the registry set in question.

GrandAm :)

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  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,519 ✭✭✭✭✭

    IFRC it means that the Cert Number is in another registry set and cannot be used again.

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  • GRANDAMGRANDAM Posts: 8,710 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 6, 2021 11:58AM

    @oih82w8 said:
    IFRC it means that the Cert Number is in another registry set and cannot be used again.

    No, it meant it was a Non-CAC Coin trying to go into my CAC Registry Set. A cert number can go into a hundred different sets (of the same owner) if it fits the composite,,,, this NON-CAC Coin didn't fit the composite for a CAC only set. I wasn't considering that when I tried to add it to my CAC Set.

    And what does "IFRA" mean?

    GrandAm :)
  • ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,908 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @GRANDAM "my current MS65 coin has the exact same crack,,,,, not a scratch."

    Yep, that's a die crack. ;)
    Not that it matters much but if you look closely you will see they are not the same.
    Good chance you could find the Vam for each of the 2 coins.

  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,519 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @GRANDAM said:

    @oih82w8 said:
    IFRC it means that the Cert Number is in another registry set and cannot be used again.

    No, it meant it was a Non-CAC Coin trying to go into my CAC Registry Set. A cert number can go into a hundred different sets (of the same owner) if it fits the composite,,,, this NON-CAC Coin didn't fit the composite for a CAC only set. I wasn't considering that when I tried to add it to my CAC Set.

    And what does "IFRA" mean?

    It should have been IIRC, "if I remember correctly". I have received a similar message when I tried to put a coin in another registry set, perhaps a fluke?

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  • GRANDAMGRANDAM Posts: 8,710 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 6, 2021 4:14PM

    @oih82w8 said:

    I have received a similar message when I tried to put a coin in another registry set, perhaps a fluke?

    IDK but in my case I was just trying to put it in the wrong set.

    Actually I believe that the MS65+ coin is VAM-10A.
    Any premium attached to the Vam to make it worth the cost of having it labeled as such?

    GrandAm :)
  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,519 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 6, 2021 4:37PM

    @GRANDAM said:

    @oih82w8 said:

    I have received a similar message when I tried to put a coin in another registry set, perhaps a fluke?

    IDK but in my case I was just trying to put it in the wrong set.

    Actually I believe that the MS65+ coin is VAM-10A.
    Any premium attached to the Vam to make it worth the cost of having it labeled as such?

    PCGS does not attribute VAM-10A.

    Die Varieties
    1922-D $1 VAM 1
    1922-D $1 VAM 1M Obv Die CUD
    1922-D $1 VAM 2
    1922-D $1 V-2A Retained Die Break
    1922-D $1 VAM 3 Doubled Leaves
    1922-D $1 VAM 4 Doubled Motto
    1922-D $1 VAM 5
    1922-D $1 VAM 6
    1922-D $1 VAM 7 Tripled Reverse
    1922-D $1 V-14A Retained Die Break

    https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1922-d-1/7358

    ANACS would attribute it. Not sure about ATS.

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  • GRANDAMGRANDAM Posts: 8,710 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't really care about the VAM unless their is a premium attached to it. The seller had a sticker on it labeling it as VAM 10-A Finest known..

    GrandAm :)
  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,519 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would not place any additional value if our host will not attribute it.

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  • GRANDAMGRANDAM Posts: 8,710 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @oih82w8 said:
    I would not place any additional value if our host will not attribute it.

    Sounds reasonable to me,,,,,, besides if it is labeled as a VAM it might not fit into my set.

    Don't want to take a chance on that.

    Off to CAC it goes.

    GrandAm :)
  • GRANDAMGRANDAM Posts: 8,710 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 6, 2021 8:59PM

    No opinions on wether the MS65+ coin will sticker?

    I need a Peace Dollar expert,,,,,, where is @BryceM

    GrandAm :)
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice looking Peace Dollar... I am not a CAC expert, so take my opinion as just that - an opinion. I think it is borderline for a bean.... the hit on the forehead and ding in the hair on the obverse and sun ray hits and eagle leg on the reverse, make me think it might not. Hope I am wrong.... Good luck, Cheers, RickO

  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,850 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Good luck. If you get a bean, I say congrats. My track record with CAC & Peace dollars has been inconsistent and often frustrating.

  • CoinJunkieCoinJunkie Posts: 8,772 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @GRANDAM said:
    No opinions on wether the MS65+ coin will sticker?

    I need a Peace Dollar expert,,,,,, where is @BryceM

    In the OP, you stated that due to the +, you "don't see how it wouldn't CAC". Believe me, there are ways! ;)

  • GRANDAMGRANDAM Posts: 8,710 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CoinJunkie said:

    @GRANDAM said:
    No opinions on wether the MS65+ coin will sticker?

    I need a Peace Dollar expert,,,,,, where is @BryceM

    In the OP, you stated that due to the +, you "don't see how it wouldn't CAC". Believe me, there are ways! ;)

    That is not what I said,,,, I said the + coin is clearly superior to the MS65 coin and since the + doesn’t require tougher standards I think the + coin should sticker,,,,, at least that is what I meant.

    GrandAm :)
  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,850 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 7, 2021 9:18AM

    Arright, the coin looks really clean, the die break is cool, and strike is excellent. That said, it might be lacking a bit in luster, and that could hurt its chances at CAC, assuming it hasn't been tried previously.

    I would buy it as a 65, but not as a 66 due to the apparent luster, which is tough to evaluate in a photo. I see no reason it shouldn't sticker, but I will tell you from personal experience, I've had numerous + coins that CAC wouldn't sticker. I will also tell you that JA and I just see Peace dollars differently. I've seen numerous CAC coins I thought were overgraded, and other gorgeous coins he didn't like.

    Between the two coins you posted, I think the second one probably is flashier and has a little better eye appeal. Strike is clearly better on the first coin, but that's only 10% of the grade. The first coin is a little cleaner in the fields, but the cheek and eagle on the second coin are oh-so-nice.

  • GRANDAMGRANDAM Posts: 8,710 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Well, I paid $400 less than PCGS PRCE Guide Price so I am good there. The coin will be on its way to CAC shortly so we will find out soon,

    If it stickers great! If not I still like it. If f it does sticker I will sell the MS65 coin.

    GrandAm :)

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