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Historicalwood71
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As we all love sports and the happiness, heartbreak it can bring. I'm a Atlanta falcon's fan since I was a kid. I honestly take this time to Say without a doubt.... Joe Montana was the best Quarterback Ever! People will say Tom Brady is. And you know something? That's fair enough with more than several Super Bowl wins.
But one thing I'd like to mention about the older generations of Qb's..... They took massive hits! And the winners such as Montana, were even cooler than Brady getting up from it and winning! I actually hated Montana back in the day because he was that good! Lol, beating my team and every other team in those yrs. But later in life..... I respected him dearly! He gave us times we'll never see again in football! I still claim, he was the best QB ever! Played against some of the best defensive teams ever. I'd like to give an honorable mention to Marino. If that guy played in this league today..... You would have witnessed the best passing you'd ever seen! I truly hope some of you are holding A Montana 81 topps..... Because I believe in another 10 yrs or so.... It'll be like having a 52 Topps mickey mantle. Buy them and never, ever sell them! Would love to hear about your favorite Qb's!
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Anyone not named Cam Newton. I live in North Carolina so naturally I'm a Panthers fan. I still remember watching the Panthers vs Broncos Super Bowl when Cam Newton didn't try to dive on that fumble. I'm not saying we would have won the game had he recovered it, but there was just no excuse for that lack of effort, especially in the biggest game of them all, a chance at immortality. If I'm a quarterback and that happens, I'm going to fight like an animal to recover that ball. Yes, February 7, 2016 was a night I will never forget, I ate chicken wings that night, and to this day, I still can't look at a chicken wing!
Bad stuff, go away, I never want to see you again!
I've stated this before that I'm not one to necessarily equate "stat building" with greatness. In my opinion, there are too many players in every hall of fame, who really weren't great players, but played for a long time and accumulated enough stats to make them appear great.
While of course stat building is to be respected, being strong and durable enough to last a long time and endure the rigors and demands of a professional sport. In my view that doesn't necessarily equate to greatness.
All that being said, up until the past season, i fully agreed with everything you stated. And i still agree with everything you stated other than now I have to place Brady as the NFL QB GOAT.
Yes Brady is a stat builder, having a remarkably long career. However in addition to that, he is also a championship builder. All those championships can't be ignored when establishing the GOAT, and the one in which he won this past season, at an advanced age, certainly can't be ignored.
Yes, Montana had it tougher back then in the rougher way the game was played. However Joe did have an advantage in a much better continuity of the players on his team versus Tom Brady. For various reasons during his career, Brady was saddled with an ever changing number of players, and he successfully adjusted and adapted to it, and won championships while doing it. That rare and impressive skillset can't be ignored.
So to wrap it up, Brady's accomplishment of winning a Super Bowl last season was simply too much for me to continue not having him as the GOAT. Montana of course is at #2 and there's certainly no shame at all in that.
Ok, now that I've gotten that out of my system, back to business. I always enjoyed watching Randall Cunningham play, he was one of the first dual threat quarterbacks, and he was very entertaining. He could beat you with his arm, or his legs, and he even punted the ball.
Tom Brady is the GOAT. His resume speaks for itself, anyone who refuses to believe that he is the greatest ever simply either hates the Patriots or has blinders on.
@Historicalwood71 We love to talk about the greatest QBs around here! But Tom Brady is the answer. I respect those who say Montana, etc. but at this point Brady has done it both too well and for too long to not be considered the GOAT.
1)Tom Brady
2) Joe Montana
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Don’t worry DD. Sam Darnold will make you forget about Cam Newton once and for all. Soon an order of chicken wings will be back on the menu.
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I sincerely hope so, I watched an interview he did recently and he sounds like he has his head screwed on straight and he's ready to make a fresh start. Of course the Jets were a horrible situation for him, so hopefully with some talent around him, he will be able to show his full potential.
I understand what you mean. Seriously! Maybe I just long for the old days. Those guys were tough as nails. I completely understand you!
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Sometimes Brady is lumped in with the newest era of football. But in my opinion he is old school tough. He never misses time. Of course he missed the one season. And people might think he is never hurt. But the truth is he has played through a lot of injuries, often not revealing anything until after a season. He is very smart and avoids unnecessary hits/contact. Belichick told him he would have to be smarter if he wanted to have a long career. He told him that after this play. And this play alone shows you his toughness.
https://youtu.be/M4OTH0pddv4
My favorite was Fran Tarkenton.
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Tarkenton is amazing, and possibly ranked too low in terms of historical greats. I was just a baby when he retired. But growing up loving football, it was a name you couldn't miss. And the highlights are unreal. Thanks for sharing this clip. He didn't get the ring, but did everything else you need a QB to do - both productivity and grit.
Played for horrible teams for 11 years and had zero great receivers to throw to for his entire career.
No great running backs either.
Look at this chart on a players value, looks pretty accurate to me.
https://pro-football-reference.com/leaders/av_career.htm
Brees and Manning should be mentioned.
I couldn't stand Peyton "Omaha", but he was great!
Like I said, he was too low on the 100 greatest list that the league did. I think he was at 91 maybe? Did so much, and with less.
Winning a SB gives a guy too much credit (Bradshaw) and losing takes away too much.
Alan Page gets penalized for being a Viking too, and look how long it took Paul Kraus to get into the HOF and he's the all time INT leader. Jim Marshal would be in with a couple of SB victories.
I did like Fran! He was a true Qb with crazy legs!
100%. And I hate the Pats.
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Well, I still take Montana for a wide variety of reasons. Here’s some macro stuff to go with all the micro that goes into these arguments. Answer these questions for yourself honestly.
Is the league better now or was it better back then?
What toll does expansion take on league quality?
Over the last 20 years, how many changes have there been to passing rules, so much so that now even the worst quarterbacks in the league can put up monster statistics?
And here’s another thing: everybody says the players/athletes are better today in all sports, in general. That is a massive miscalculation in my eyes. Chemicals may have made them stronger and/or faster and look more impressive physically but smart play, complete skill sets and overall skill level is down.
I would love to take Tom Brady and put him on a solid team like the Bears or Redskins in the 1980s (sound teams with weaker QB play) and see how he performs and how long he’s able to last playing football.
If you don’t think his longevity is a function of the era he is playing in, you didn’t see the game back then. The Saints were punished and Gregg Williams and Jonathan Vilma were suspended a few years ago for placing bounties on opposing players and quarterbacks.
Back in the 1980s, that wasn’t just commonplace but standard operating procedure in almost all football locker rooms from high school to pro:
Take out their QB with a brutal hit and we win.
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Great stuff! Took it to the heart of how it use to be!