Under-appreciated doubled dies
dcarr
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Here is one that doesn't receive a lot of attention, but has a very impressive spread. If not for the fat letters that overlap when doubled, this one might have been as impressive looking as the 1955 cent. It is also fairly scarce in higher grades (most are well worn). I looked for quite a while and finally decided on this one for what I thought was a good price (If the pictures don't show up, try clicking on the direct link).
Obverse: designscomputed.com/coin_pics/wash_1942d_dd_obv.jpg
Reverse: designscomputed.com/coin_pics/wash_1942d_dd_rev.jpg
LIBERTY: designscomputed.com/coin_pics/wash_1942d_dd_lib.jpg
IGWT: designscomputed.com/coin_pics/wash_1942d_dd_igwt.jpg
Date (note the unusually fat down-strokes): designscomputed.com/coin_pics/wash_1942d_dd_date.jpg
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Post an impressive but under-appreciated doubled die.
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Nice Liberty! The 1941 DDO Merc is under appreciated and has a very dramatic spread on the motto. Years ago I cherrypicked the top pop in MS65. It is still the top pop today.
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nice!
too bad they didn't post it to the CF page. the highest is a measly 62.
The doubling on the 1936 Walking Liberty Half freaks me out!
Seems like everyone looks for the 1936 Lincoln DDO instead.
Pete
I have photos of it that I took. When I sent it to PCGS 6+ years ago I thought PCGS would image it for Coin Facts because it was the first Mint State example ever found. I guess they didn’t want it for Coin Facts…under appreciated? I can post later if I open up the laptop. I just cherrypicked another mint state example a few weeks ago and will submit it along with a bunch of other stuff at Summer FUN.
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I like that one as well
I agree with you on the '42-D quarter. It's been shown to actually have a wider spread than the 55/55 1c.
That '36 half not only impressive but is also extremely rare. A specimen in VG sold for 15 grand not too long ago. I was fortunate to be able to examine a very harshly cleaned VF several years ago.
I am a big fan of the 1934d doubled die Obv peace dollars from an mint operational perspective and think they are under appreciated even though they are not necessarily undervalued. I’ll explain
I consider the 1934d to be one of the last great mint anomalies (behind and with all due respect to the 1942/1 & 1955 DDO). That said it has
It was like the very end of the artisan/ engineer hand made era of the mint. Now it takes a microscope and a little bit of luck to spot the difference between the first coin and the 1,000,000,000th. To have a major error on the last of the silver dollars is cool to me. I have been helpless to buy them when they cross my path since I was young
The more common Med D
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I agree-the '34-D is an impressive doubled die.
Many of the major doubled dies in both the Washington quarters and the Roosevelt dimes are also unappreciated. Many of the copper-nickel Wash 25c are very difficult to find.
I have never seen one after looking for decades. Allegedly only a few VFs are known and minimal pictures. I am some what skeptical/curious/fascinated by this variety
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Daniel that is a very nice example, and an earlier die state than I usually see. Excellent pick up.
Maybe a year ago I spotted one in similar condition but a later die state unattributed on eBay, I thought I had it covered with a big snipe but someone else had also noticed it and outbid me.
Sean Reynolds
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Same here. I've been looking for a long time with no luck. I also think it's actually a tripled die-a doubled die over a doubled working hub. The VF I examined also has a moderately doubled die reverse that appeared to be a Class V best seen on "UNITED."
The most under appreciated doubled die is without a doubt the 1876-CC twenty center…
Well, yes, the "doubled die" part is vastly over-shadowed by the "1876-CC 20-cent piece" part
Exactly!
Without pictures…..(stars and Lib shield Obv)
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Here is the Top Pop 1941 DDO Merc I cherrypicked several years ago out of a 2x2.
These are my photos which are not the best of the close up. The toning did not help my cause but the bottom of UST is pretty dramatic.
Here is a crop from a MS62 CoinFacts Example:
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BTW-that is a nice example of the variety, dcarr! I used to have all the "biggies" in the Washington 25c series but this one is the only one I have left, DDO-001 + DDR-001.
I just found this one and in its condition will most likely remain under-appreciated.
I almost snagged a gorgeous raw 34-D in an unattributed auction but got scooped at the last second. C’est la vie.
@Crypto .... Thanks for those pictures.... That is a great DDO indeed. Cheers, RickO
Are there very many of these? I have never seen one until now. PCGS only shows one sold $15k in 2019 in VG10 condition. Are there any others sold or known of? Thanks for sharing.
Jim
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Not much value in this comment but I remember seeing a Liberty $20 DDR in a dealer's ad in CW many years ago with a huge spread on the doubling, bigger than the 1955/55 Lincoln. Biggest spread I ever saw. But I can't remember the year/mint and some online searching came up empty.
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Pretty sure youre talking about the 1878 DDR (large motto over small) but I wouldn't compare it to the 55 DDO. Blow up shots in magazines can be misleading
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I examined a harshly cleaned VF about 17 years ago. The variety is very rare but I don't know how many are known.
Just an IMO.
A lot has to do with the pivot point of the hub doubling. Take a coin like the famous 55 DDO and due to the pivot point the doubling appears on the whole coin with extreme doubling where it is most seen, along the periphery. Now a coin with a pivot at say 3K will not show much doubling on the entire right hand side of the coin. Likewise a coin with a 6K pivot will not show a wide spread, if any on the date.
One to add to this list would be Die 6 of the 1941 P Lincoln DDO. I will try to update with pics later if I can dig my images out.
The 1876s DDO trade dollar is great
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I appreciate them all!
Just wish this one was in better condition.
1941 P Lincoln
Nice spread on the date, the ear and TY of LIBERTY
Found 2 examples in jar searches.
You got me beat Crypto!
That would be a real monster if the first hubbing would have been stronger. There are lots of other coins that show the same characteristics. Thing is, if it had been stronger it probably would have been spotted by Mint personnel.
I agree
Another nice sleeper DDO in the Lincoln series is the OTHER 55 DDO, the DDO-002
If the king didn't overshadow this coin this would have been a big DDO in and of itself.
Beautiful in EDS
Here is a couple of the small D rev to show how different the MM are
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Thanks for that Crypto. Man, 34 was a crazy year.
I'm thinking if you need a microscope to see a Doubled Die - Then STILL can't see it without arrows point to and fro, then it's time to stop.
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
How about the 1919 10C DDO FS-101. First discovered in 2015 and this one is mine.
Closeup of doubling (not my coin)
My policy with doubled die is this-if you can't see it with a 5X glass it ain't worth fooling with.
Here's another one. Can't beat the T in TRUST on this one.
EDIT: Well, I can't beat it..................you guys probably can!
Well really you can't beat anything now a days.........
OH! Selling fodder to get what you really want!
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Fify. I can even see some of these posted in this thread
5X. You do, of course, need a higher power glass fro RPMs and the like. But I'm not into RPMs so the 5X serves me just fine.
It's an unfair question. The youngins' don't need a glass. As we (that's you and me) get older, the X Factors keep going up!
1976-D Washington DDO-1
Found this one last year.
It may have been the 1888 $20 DDR that you remember. I think this date has the most dramatic doubling of the series. The 1879 is a close second. DDR can also be found on the 1890-S, 1891-S and 1878 (as Crypto mentioned). The 1873 open 3 can be found with a doubling on the word LIBERTY on the coronet.
The is the second finest graded 1888 $20 at PCGS with the DDR. The doubling is most prominent on “TWENTY” and “DOLLARS”.
Yeah-admittedly the eyes ain't what they used to be. I still can see quite a few doubled dies without a glass, tho. Of course it isn't nearly as easy as it was back in the early sixties when I started my cherrypicking career. I sure wish I would have examined a few more 1916 Buffalos and 1961 proof Franklins back then.
I used to have an AU53 example of that one. That's a helluva cherrypick!
Those are nice gold doubled dies. They are beyond my means, tho.
I don’t think those are under appreciated at all, as the thread title suggests. I just haven’t found one to appreciate yet.
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That's an excellent example of a very nice doubled die. Very impressive! I can't understand why this is not yet listed in the "Red Book."
There is already a king DDO of the series with the 42/1 would be my guess. The redbook makes a point not to go too far down the specialist rabbit hole.
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