@Steven59 said:
Don't ya ever wish the "True View" pictures actually look like your coins do when you receive them??
Wonder how many of the posters in this thread would comment on the accuracy comparing the pic to the in hand view?
I wouldn't buy a coin based on a TrueView only under any circumstances. I've submitted $20K gold DCAM's that looked liked they had no cameo whatsoever and virtually all-white coins that looked like they were fully toned.
YMMV.
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@Steven59 said:
Don't ya ever wish the "True View" pictures actually look like your coins do when you receive them??
Wonder how many of the posters in this thread would comment on the accuracy comparing the pic to the in hand view?
When I received it, I was blown away by the coin in hand. The colors, especially the orange and aqua are very accurate. What was not as apparent was how reflective the coin was, especially on the reverse. Truly a wonderful coin to hold and behold.
I could not be happier with the TrueView which convinced me to take a shot on this coin.
I prefer that pics of the coins in my collection have a reasonable facsimile to the coin's in hand look. If that is a TV version that meets that standard, that is great. However, I've seen many examples (TV or otherwise) where a pic isn't very accurate or representative. No thank you.
@Zoins are you a picture collector as implied by your Morgan comments?
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@Catbert said:
I prefer that pics of the coins in my collection have a reasonable facsimile to the coin's in hand look. If that is a TV version that meets that standard, that is great. However, I've seen many examples (TV or otherwise) where a pic isn't very accurate or representative. No thank you.
@Zoins are you a picture collector as implied by your Morgan comments?
I'm a coin collector as indicated by my love of holding coins in hand and ability to compare TrueViews with how coins look in said hand. All the coins posted in this thread are from my collection
I think you're looking too much into my Morgan comments. The details in the feathers, like die varieties, elevation chromatics and other physically small things enjoyed by collectors, may have enhanced enjoyment at high magnification, whether it's via a high resolution photo, loupe or other means of magnification.
Of course, if I only collected photos, my wallet would be a lot fatter! Something worth considering as coin videos get better
@robec Your pics look pretty close to the TrueView. Is that the way you see it? @catbert I have 60 or more TrueViews of coins that I own. They are pretty accurate, with the exception of not presenting luster on toners. The toners are fairly flat looking, but do capture the color that one would see under a lamp.
I'm (un)happy to note several egregious examples of $20,000 coins I've owned or seen here lately that don't resemble their TrueView at all. Egregiously. Last week there was a GTG thread with two 1935-P S$1. The comments of many found the color unpleasant enough to suggest its removal. The TrueView showed a subtly glistening coin with even translucent medium color over smooth surfaces. IIRC one or two guessed it "right". Going to the Heritage lot, @BillJones identified a slab picture of a very white PCGS MS67 non-CAC with a bare touch of toning on part of the rim. That TrueView would destroy every sale.
I've seen tons of coins that matched up well, but I will never make a buying decision based only on a TrueView for a coin $20,000 or more. For many, much less. Almost everyone will happily discuss it with a potential buyer.
The exquisitely-formed concentric target-toned Morgan could be passed by Josh the golden "V" nickel guy as a three dollar. But not a dealer in a hundred would buy it for a customer. Destined to bring 1100 + the juice at auction.
edited to add: If you're not a CAC collector-member for whom no charge is applied if a coin doesn't pass, find one who is who'll send it in with the rest of a package..
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@ColonelJessup said:
I've seen tons of coins that matched up well, but I will never make a buying decision based only on a TrueView for a coin $20,000 or more. For many, much less. Almost everyone will happily discuss it with a potential buyer.
Would you make a buying decision based only on another set of photos of a coin, like Heritage or Stack's photos?
The exquisitely-formed concentric target-toned Morgan could be passed by Josh the golden "V" nickel guy as a three dollar. But not a dealer in a hundred would buy it for a customer. Destined to bring 1100 + the juice at auction.
@ColonelJessup said:
I've seen tons of coins that matched up well, but I will never make a buying decision based only on a TrueView for a coin $20,000 or more. For many, much less. Almost everyone will happily discuss it with a potential buyer.
Would you make a buying decision based only on another set of photos of a coin, like Heritage or Stack's photos?
The exquisitely-formed concentric target-toned Morgan could be passed by Josh the golden "V" nickel guy as a three dollar. But not a dealer in a hundred would buy it for a customer. Destined to bring 1100 + the juice at auction.
Enjoy it. Just expect knowledgeable people to laugh at or be disgusted by it. I guess the graders thought they were grading an ASE.
And yes, I've spent over $200,000 in the last two years at Heritage, millions and millions over the past 10 years, and made money on their slab photography in a strong majority of instances. If you can't, well, that's why I get the big bucks.
A cert verification verifies the cert number is genuine and matches the coin. The cert is kosher. That's the end of the line for you? The coin has been been mistakenly kosher-ized. @Zoins, you're made many wonderful posts. I'm not even sure what you're trying to say. Unless that it's that I'm sometimes impatient with institutionalized ignorance. Just call me arrogant. Find me one more coin in the last five years with that toning that's CAC-approved. $100 to your favorite charity.
40 years as a dealer and a retired accomplished coin doctor, I'd bet against it. Hell, I'll pay postage and fees if CAC approves it for the actual owner. Like I said, not a dealer in a hundred would buy it for a customer.
Due diligence
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@ColonelJessup said:
I've seen tons of coins that matched up well, but I will never make a buying decision based only on a TrueView for a coin $20,000 or more. For many, much less. Almost everyone will happily discuss it with a potential buyer.
Would you make a buying decision based only on another set of photos of a coin, like Heritage or Stack's photos?
The exquisitely-formed concentric target-toned Morgan could be passed by Josh the golden "V" nickel guy as a three dollar. But not a dealer in a hundred would buy it for a customer. Destined to bring 1100 + the juice at auction.
Enjoy it. Just expect knowledgeable people to laugh at or be disgusted by it. I guess the graders thought they were grading an ASE.
And yes, I've spent over $200,000 in the last two years at Heritage, millions and millions over the past 10 years, and made money on their slab photography in a strong majority of instances. If you can't, well, that's why I get the big bucks.
A cert verification verifies the cert number is genuine and matches the coin. The cert is kosher. That's the end of the line for you? The coin has been been mistakenly kosher-ized. @Zoins, you're made many wonderful posts. I'm not even sure what you're trying to say. Unless that it's that I'm sometimes impatient with institutionalized ignorance. Just call me arrogant. Find me one more coin in the last five years with that toning that's CAC-approved. $100 to your favorite charity.
40 years as a dealer and a retired accomplished coin doctor, I'd bet against it. Hell, I'll pay postage and fees if CAC approves it for the actual owner. Like I said, not a dealer in a hundred would buy it for a customer.
Due diligence
Ok Col, I respect you a lot but this post is uber ironic and you're coming off like you need a good "ok boomer" here.
Did you check the cert of that coin?
"It's like God, Family, Country, except Sticker, Plastic, Coin."
Oh, you mean I was right all along?
Without checking the cert #? Amazing!.
I'm not here to make myself "big"; I'm here to make you less "small" in terms of coin knowledge. Happy to have more ignorance spread? Not that I'm always right, but ignore what I have to say at your own risk. Profit from what I've learned from my own mistakes.
BTW, it's considered institutional knowledge. Hey, I was invented before the Internet. Many experts suffer from the same disability.
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - Geo. Orwell
@ColonelJessup said:
Oh, you mean I was right all along?
Without checking the cert #? Amazing!
You are amazing Colonel and I love your posts. Keep them coming!
As for the coin, not only do I love the look (it looks like Life Savers candy!), I guessed I would get much more enjoyment out of sharing it than I paid for it. I'd say I've gotten much more than 10x of fun posting it here
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I wouldn't buy a coin based on a TrueView only under any circumstances. I've submitted $20K gold DCAM's that looked liked they had no cameo whatsoever and virtually all-white coins that looked like they were fully toned.
YMMV.
No no no no no.
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Don't you know Morgans are known for colorful toning
This is a coin I bought because of the TrueView.
I love the colors, especially in the wings and around IGWT.
I've never seen another like it.
Here's a coin I bought only with a TrueView. I paid a strong premium for it as well.
I don't normally collect these but I like the design and was impressed by the colors in the TrueView.
As they say, try to find another.
When I received it, I was blown away by the coin in hand. The colors, especially the orange and aqua are very accurate. What was not as apparent was how reflective the coin was, especially on the reverse. Truly a wonderful coin to hold and behold.
I could not be happier with the TrueView which convinced me to take a shot on this coin.
Egypt AH1436-2015 Struck With Two Obverse Dies PCGS MS67.
It is COPPER-NICKEL so it is much harder to tone than silver. MS65. It was in the paper bag since 1970 until I sent it to grade in 2020.
It shows the beauty of the copper
It shows the beauty of the red brown. PCGS MS65RB, Double Die Reverse,
I prefer that pics of the coins in my collection have a reasonable facsimile to the coin's in hand look. If that is a TV version that meets that standard, that is great. However, I've seen many examples (TV or otherwise) where a pic isn't very accurate or representative. No thank you.
@Zoins are you a picture collector as implied by your Morgan comments?
"Got a flaming heart, can't get my fill"
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I'm a coin collector as indicated by my love of holding coins in hand and ability to compare TrueViews with how coins look in said hand. All the coins posted in this thread are from my collection
I think you're looking too much into my Morgan comments. The details in the feathers, like die varieties, elevation chromatics and other physically small things enjoyed by collectors, may have enhanced enjoyment at high magnification, whether it's via a high resolution photo, loupe or other means of magnification.
Of course, if I only collected photos, my wallet would be a lot fatter! Something worth considering as coin videos get better
TrueView is pretty much right on to what I see in hand
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@robec Your pics look pretty close to the TrueView. Is that the way you see it?
@catbert I have 60 or more TrueViews of coins that I own. They are pretty accurate, with the exception of not presenting luster on toners. The toners are fairly flat looking, but do capture the color that one would see under a lamp.
Yes. I'm happy with most all my TrueViews, not all, but most.
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Heres one i had crossed over from ngc. The ngc holder was just used and abused
I'm (un)happy to note several egregious examples of $20,000 coins I've owned or seen here lately that don't resemble their TrueView at all. Egregiously. Last week there was a GTG thread with two 1935-P S$1. The comments of many found the color unpleasant enough to suggest its removal. The TrueView showed a subtly glistening coin with even translucent medium color over smooth surfaces. IIRC one or two guessed it "right". Going to the Heritage lot, @BillJones identified a slab picture of a very white PCGS MS67 non-CAC with a bare touch of toning on part of the rim. That TrueView would destroy every sale.
I've seen tons of coins that matched up well, but I will never make a buying decision based only on a TrueView for a coin $20,000 or more. For many, much less. Almost everyone will happily discuss it with a potential buyer.
The exquisitely-formed concentric target-toned Morgan could be passed by Josh the golden "V" nickel guy as a three dollar. But not a dealer in a hundred would buy it for a customer. Destined to bring 1100 + the juice at auction.
"Have fun with your coins" - @homerunhall
"Do your due diligence" - @ColonelJessup
edited to add: If you're not a CAC collector-member for whom no charge is applied if a coin doesn't pass, find one who is who'll send it in with the rest of a package..
Most of my Trueviews are pretty close to what the coin actually looks like.
"It's like God, Family, Country, except Sticker, Plastic, Coin."
@DelawareDoons was the 1837 dime shot through a rattler?
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I have a few that are my favorites
Ms 65
Au 58
PR 64
PR 65 cam
Nice tricentennial date of the Columbus voyage on that coin.
Would you make a buying decision based only on another set of photos of a coin, like Heritage or Stack's photos?
The Morgan is a great coin to have fun with.
It's just a cert verification away!
Enjoy it. Just expect knowledgeable people to laugh at or be disgusted by it. I guess the graders thought they were grading an ASE.
And yes, I've spent over $200,000 in the last two years at Heritage, millions and millions over the past 10 years, and made money on their slab photography in a strong majority of instances. If you can't, well, that's why I get the big bucks.
A cert verification verifies the cert number is genuine and matches the coin. The cert is kosher. That's the end of the line for you? The coin has been been mistakenly kosher-ized. @Zoins, you're made many wonderful posts. I'm not even sure what you're trying to say. Unless that it's that I'm sometimes impatient with institutionalized ignorance. Just call me arrogant. Find me one more coin in the last five years with that toning that's CAC-approved. $100 to your favorite charity.
40 years as a dealer and a retired accomplished coin doctor, I'd bet against it. Hell, I'll pay postage and fees if CAC approves it for the actual owner. Like I said, not a dealer in a hundred would buy it for a customer.
Due diligence
Yes, it's part of a group I sent in for imaging in the old holders.
"It's like God, Family, Country, except Sticker, Plastic, Coin."
Ok Col, I respect you a lot but this post is uber ironic and you're coming off like you need a good "ok boomer" here.
Did you check the cert of that coin?
"It's like God, Family, Country, except Sticker, Plastic, Coin."
Oh, you mean I was right all along?
Without checking the cert #? Amazing!.
I'm not here to make myself "big"; I'm here to make you less "small" in terms of coin knowledge. Happy to have more ignorance spread? Not that I'm always right, but ignore what I have to say at your own risk. Profit from what I've learned from my own mistakes.
BTW, it's considered institutional knowledge. Hey, I was invented before the Internet.
Many experts suffer from the same disability. 
You are amazing Colonel and I love your posts. Keep them coming!
As for the coin, not only do I love the look (it looks like Life Savers candy!), I guessed I would get much more enjoyment out of sharing it than I paid for it. I'd say I've gotten much more than 10x of fun posting it here
Then, sir, I can only say "well played"
Wow! Looks like Candy. Mmm.
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