How can a coin like this get a green sticker from CAC
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I’m guessing a downgrade cross. Twice oughta do it.
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Aren't you the one that said grades on elite rarities are more a ranking than a grade?
Does it matter what the finest known of the King of American Coins is graded (by lore and prestige)? The 68 is more a trophy grade for a trophy coin.
Honestly while JA is currently one of the premier opinions in numismatics, that coin has been judged already by a whos who of graders for well over a century. The nuance of technical grade only makes for fun banter by the old guard. A CAC sticker might only matter to noncollector trophy hunters who read somewhere its important
11.5$ Southern Dollars, The little “Big Easy” set
It’s a spoof thread...
Wow what a cool historical coin with a mystery associated with it.
My specialty is downgrading. Seems like every coin I buy is over graded. I’m going to have to stop cracking coins out of the holder. Lol.
He’s trying to discourage other bidders from making him pay more.
Before you get your bowls in an uproar this is a spoof post too.
11.5$ Southern Dollars, The little “Big Easy” set
That's sardonic, not sarcastic I have to look both of them up every day before I log on so I can remember the difference.
also @Crypto: Nicely done
I think at 68 it's over graded. As far as stickers they are just someone's opinion.
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Two downgrades ought to do it indeed.
I saw the coin in-hand at Childs. I graded it 66-. It's darkened somewhat in the last 20 years.
The crossover idea has a touch of madness to it,
Or is it, perhaps, the work of a previously overlooked satiric genius? 
I wouldn't buy that one considering my PR66 looks at least as good as all the PR69s that are out there.
You clearly don't understand.
Having been intimidated when the KOS set was handed to me raw by Dave Bowers in 1984. I graded the $1 64+. Although Tyrant hasn't invited me over for an in-hand opinion lately, let's call it a 65 and say it, as does the Childs piece, needs a two point downgrade to get a sticker.
That leaves @tradedollarnut's not actually damaged, sort of PR65 as the best bang-for-the-buck because it only needs a one and a half point downgrade to get the coveted Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval.
Or it could be, as you suggest, a feint
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that is your opinion. being a 68 is an opinion, it being over-graded is an opinion and the sticker is an opinion.
For the King of Hobbies, it sure seems like no one around here knows what in the hell they are doing.
and just to ensure the realization of the full hyperbolization of this post:
Grading on the curve of the Sheldon scale. Whatever modified view we take (on grading, or such), that's one coin for the ages.
@tradedollarnut
Please repeat your opinion from the OP about 100 times - that way, we'll know you mean business!
Ah, the 1835 dollar! They should pull the dies out again and make more. Why people continue to call something it is not......I'll never understand. Another example "Liberty wearing an Indian head-dress and people think she's actually an Indian. Let's try to get it right folks! lol
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If you can get two gold beans for that @oreville's gonna pay a huge premium for it.
I'm aiming for a platinum bean
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And it continues to be labeled the Sultan of Muscat coin when there is no proof of that at all.
I’m somewhat satisfied with the circumstantial evidence
Should it be net graded MS69 since the sultan had a harem
11.5$ Southern Dollars, The little “Big Easy” set
I'll make my comment as brief as I can. In general, it has always been off-limits to make derogatory comments here about coins that are up for sale. (spoof or not). We all have our opinions, but we keep them to ourselves (for the most part) until the auction or sale is over.
In this case the Pogue family apparently has over $4 million invested in this coin. And here we are lobbing negative opinions at the coin before it goes on the auction block. Spoof or not, I think this is in really bad taste.
After all, please think about your own holdings - how would you like it if there was a bunch of "spoof noise" or "other noise" on the premier coin forum before YOUR coin went on the block? I do not think you would like it at all. Period.
I personally hope that PCGS has the guts to poof this thread. Spoof or not, it is not up to our collective standards, no matter who posted it.
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My 1804 would sticker two grades lower. Almost every single 1804 would sticker two grades lower [some maybe not]. ALL 1804’s are overgraded by 2 points. Dems the facts - nothing derogatory about the coin at all.
If the grade doesn't fit...
You must resubmit.
This thread has everything!
It has humor with a great spin and spoof, it is sarcastic (and a little sardonic!), has some beans, and even had circumstantial evidence! Bravo!!
Too bad someone got twisted over it.
Personally, I loved it! Plus that's a pretty awesome coin, despite whatever grade they gave her.
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Have you thought of having your 1804 dollar regraded? You've mentioned doing this for other coins in the past.
I vote this but do it under the grade Guarantee and ask for the difference
11.5$ Southern Dollars, The little “Big Easy” set
PCGS is doing the right thing these days as the Weitzman 1933 Double Eagle stickered. Perhaps, it's time for all the 1804 dollars to be regraded?
I take it that you’re being facetious, as opposed to sarcastic or sardonic.
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If the Coin hadn’t stickered, would that indicate that PCGS wasn’t “doing the right thing these days”?
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
If it didn't sticker, it wouldn't qualify for the PCGS CAC Registry Set.
What do you think?
I reckon you can squeeze more sardonic comments than sarcastic comments within a given amount of thread space.
Smitten with DBLCs.
Yes. If JA would sticker it at 64+ I’d do it in a second. But I think he’d hold out for 63+. Darn it.
I actually love the coin as a 64. 63+ obverse and 65 reverse.
That both coins were at some point in Europe, separated by many decades, that is about it.
That a partial diplomatic proof set was parted out in the same auction at the turn of the century. What other set could possibly have been broken up? There were only 4 complete sets - one is still intact so that leaves 3 others. One $10 is in the smithsonian and it came from one of the two returned sets - so now it’s down to 50/50. So what is more probable - that the Set that was presented overseas was subsequently broken up and sold overseas...or that one of the returned sets was laundered by the Mint in a European auction?
Like I said, the circumstantial evidence is decent.
There were no less than 8 proof coins minted of all the other denominations dated 1834, including the quarter eagle and half eagle. The partial set of minor coins sold at auction is not necessarily from one of the diplomatic sets. Some of these proof coins were traded en masse from the Mint Cabinet to counterparties in Europe as early as the 1840s (unpublished research). Not laundered, traded.
The SI does not possess an 1804 $10. That only 4 were minted is complete conjecture.
What complete set is still intact?
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KOS
I figured that was the one being referenced. But to my knowledge, the Half Dime and one other coin (a different variety of the $2.50?) from the original set were replaced, long ago.
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Conjecture and a readily identifiable unique variety that was made for a specific purpose and almost 200 years of tracking and accounting are two different things.
Exact numbers might be speculative but how many are know and where they came from and ascertaining off of that isn’t really missing information.
So many numismatic “facts” are conjecture technically, the fun is trying to get more information and add focus to the picture. That is at the core of the hobby
11.5$ Southern Dollars, The little “Big Easy” set
Excellent point. Mostly intact, complete, but not as originally issued