How does PCGS certify non-pattern Cheerios Dollars?

CaptHenway

Apparently if you send a two-coin Cheerios dollar and cent package ATS and it turns out that the dollar does not have the pattern reverse (which you can tell it will or won't from the obverse die marker I discovered; see www.smalldollars.com), they certify the perfectly normal dollar as a "Cheerios Promotion" coin. Which of course it is.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/363382892294

How does our gracious host certify them, if at all?

TD

Mr Lindy

I do not think you can see $ reverse in Cheerios package as its affixed in plastic to cardboard.

That NGC $ linked looks like it is common reverse.

Awesome ! Thank You !

ianrussell

The eBay listing is misleading. Imagine paying $3k for a Cheerio's Promotion coin and then realizing that it's not a Cheerio's Dollar. If we list one, we're going to need to put a clarification on this type of coin.

• Ian

Lakesammman

If it doesn't have the obverse diagnostics, best to leave it in the original packaging.

Capt - are there ANY pattern reverses w/o the obv diagnostics??

CaptHenway

@Lakesammman said:
If it doesn't have the obverse diagnostics, best to leave it in the original packaging.

Capt - are there ANY pattern reverses w/o the obv diagnostics??

Not that I know of.

ianrussell

Just to add:

The seller on eBay is saying that his coin is the real Cheerio's Dollar (FS-902) in his description (even going into detail about the tail feathers). It's not.

From listing (with typos):

"2000-P SAC$1 "Cheerios," MS65 NGC. Shipped with USPS First Class.The classic design feature of the"Cheerios" dollar is the ribbed tailfeathers on the eagle. The vastmajority of 2000-P Sacagawea dollars lack this detail in the tailfeathers. The"Cheerios" coins were distributed through a marketing promotion withthe familiar breakfast cereal brand and have been the subject of intensesearching by collectors in recent years."

ianrussell

I like what NGC puts online under the cert look-up so people don't get mislead by unknowledgeable or unscrupulous
sellers:

NGC Cert #
5945454-001
NGC Description
2000 P REGULAR ISSUE REVERSE CHEERIOS PROMOTION $1
NGC Grade
MS 65

LanceNewmanOCC

@CaptHenway said:
How does our gracious host certify them, if at all?

TD

i know this doesn't answer your question but the pops don't show any special designation (only the actual cheerios attribution generic and official) and i gotta figure that there has to be at least some similarity between something put on the slab, even with the generic pcgs coin # and what shows in the pops.

i do see how very easily someone could not know the diagnostics for the pattern rev and see that slab and connect the 2. it is important for us to inform ourselves but part of the point of slabs is for them to know more than "us." SO, it would probably be a good idea for the TPGs to put some sort of non-pattern/regular issue on the slab just like this thread talks about. BUT, i can also understand from a marketing perspective and even a bit of a numismatic one how having some designation for coins that come directly out of a box and/or official packaging to have their own special coin number and designation but given the dollar spread especially for the 2 to somehow not even be remotely similar on the labels/pops.

on a side note, since it was right there, i sure didn't recall there being 5! sac mules. granted there may have be a/some resubs. i just presumed it was unique.

ricko

Good information here...I have searched yard sales and flea markets for them, but they do not seem to show up. Will keep checking though - the hope of a treasure hunter burns eternally.... Cheers, RickO

eCoinquest

This doesn't quite answer your question as well as if our hosts respond but about a year ago I certified this Cheerios Dollar with NGC (courtesy of the OP)

Before doing so I spoke with two graders at PCGS who said that PCGS, at least as of that time, does NOT grade any Sacagawea as a Cheerios Dollar unless the tail feather distinction is present. Thus, I opted for NGC.

Cheerios Dollar NGC MS65 - obverse
Cheerios Dollar NGC MS65 - reverse