Guess the Grade?
Crypto
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Just bored and thought we could have some fun with Market grading Vs Technical grading (weighed against Market Acceptable) and where do you think PCGS landed?
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I’ll guess AU50
Mr_Spud
That is an interesting one, XF45?
Put me down for AU53. I almost guessed higher.
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I've found it's a safe bet to always agree with @MFeld
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Thank you, but you should definitely change "always" to "sometimes"!
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55
AU55 or 58 is my guess.
My first instinct was 50
Dang, I had typed the actual grade and then was swayed by the other guesses.
55
55
55
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62
yes
My guess is 50. I know that seems too low, but too many prominent digs, scratches, and the big ole black mark.
55.
55
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61
A lot of luster but the coin struck me as an AU53. I'm guessing netted down from a 55.
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That was my 1st impression until I really looked at it!
58
Too much luster to be anything less than a 55...I think I'll run with that, although I could see it a notch higher...
mbogoman
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Same here. Ultimately, I couldn’t get past the upper portion of the eagle’s left facing wing, among a few other areas.
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You sir are correct as a grading champ (former
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Lightly processed MS 62 net graded up from58 (full mint bloom with minor field rub) net graded down 61 for minor device dings and rubber burn Obv , minor strike weakness rev —- AKA Slider
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nice dollar and type. i'll say No Grade due to the planchet flaw. i've seen so many mixed results but this one is quite visible.
LOL! Maybe he cheated and looked up the cert #!
I would take TDN’s opinion on a dollar before PCGS’s.
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The rev carries less weight of course and the Obv is nice strike wise
The type 2/2 large S is a very rare hub type that is shared with only the equally rare 76p 2/2. All other 2/2 dies came of a different hub series that mostly carried the series to its conclusion. Most 76 large S come with the weak sinister wing
It’s almost like a few prototype master dies from William Barbers redesign (75-76 post the similar 20c launch) to address striking contrasts made it into a few production dies.
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I'd guess 55. But apparently it a 61.. Go figure.
I was going to say 58, but the grade came up as a 61. I still like it as a 58, looked like a lot of gray in the obverse fields.
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Late to the game, but thought 58 before I got to the reveal. Surprised at 61.... Cheers, RickO
I did not guess as the grade was posted... would have been wrong anyway
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That’s strike, not wear.
Apparently, but I couldn’t tell from the image and other areas appeared to display wear, too. Hopefully, in hand, I would have reached a different conclusion.
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@MFeld daylight photos
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Thank you. I probably would have guessed 58 based on those. There are some areas that look better compared to the previous shots.
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Slider right? 58 - 61 is a theological difference more so than a technical one. PCGS puts a premium on luster so this one slid up. This was sort of the point of this example. If collectors don’t fully comprehend how PCGS values luster with their market grading (one of the bigger differences between NGC grading) then the ability to buy raw, cross, gauge ranking (for the grade ) will be impacted to down right futile.
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Agreed. And while no one has to agree with how the grading companies grade, it certainly behooves them to be aware of it.
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Very educational post, thanks Crypto and subsequent posters.
When I saw the first pics Crypto posted, I thought 58. But with the daylight pics I can see it as easily a 61. I'd gladly buy it at that price. So I think exercise demonstrates not only how PCGS views luster but how lighting affects our perception of luster.
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I graded it by the picture presented!
It’s a good point, mint bloom will look different via different lights / cameras but the trick with grading anything online is looking for areas that appear unmolested and creating a baseline and then coming up with a percentage of luster bloom. Even if there is rub if it is on top of luster and the rest is unobstructed, it will often find its self in UNC holders.
If areas are rubbed past the frost layer (unless specifically bag chatter) that is where AU often starts
One must get to the total coin starting point and then add up the pluses and minuses to get the grade
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