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drddmdrddm Posts: 5,275 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited April 27, 2021 2:20PM in U.S. Coin Forum

How likely is it to happen that when submitting a NGC coin (with no stickers on it) for crossover that it comes back in a higher PCGS graded holder?

Personally, I’ve had this happen only once on a coin in an old fatty NGC holder graded AU58 that crossed to PCGS 62.

If you have any such experiences, please post your coin and tell us what the before and after grade was.



  • TurtleCatTurtleCat Posts: 4,583 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My crossover experience is 1/4 with NGC crossing at the same grade. I’m sure others will have different experiences.

    It was long enough ago (year ago) that I don’t have the coins anymore. Basically they were AU 19th century gold. One crossed as is, one was considered below the label grade, one was considered artificial color and one cleaned.

  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 31,832 ✭✭✭✭✭

    you're going to get the "it depends upon the coin and the ngc grade" response

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  • drddmdrddm Posts: 5,275 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MsMorrisine said:
    you're going to get the "it depends upon the coin and the ngc grade" response

    Yes, of course, that’s always true.
    But I’m simply looking for examples that upgraded on crossover, not a straight cross.
    I can’t imagine upgrades happen too frequently, so I’d like to hear just about coins that went up.

  • ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 6,169 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I am assuming this is a "normal" coin... If you are confident of the grade I would just break it out and send it raw.
    As for how likely is a coin to cross? That's impossible to answer without seeing the coin.
    From my experience(which is cracking and sending raw, and not really that many, maybe 5?) almost every coin came back the same grade. I've had one major upgrade but that was not the fault of NGC, it was a hazy proof that upgraded and went from cam to dcam.

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  • spacehaydukespacehayduke Posts: 5,064 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Depends on the day and the mood of the graders - subjectivity.......................

    I have had some upgrades from grade to same grade with a + going from NGC to PCGS. But these were both beaned........

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  • TurtleCatTurtleCat Posts: 4,583 ✭✭✭✭✭

    To follow up, these are pics of the only NGC I have crossed since you wanted a pic. AU58 to AU58:

  • CameonutCameonut Posts: 7,235 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have never had an upgrade on a cross from NGC. But I have had several DNC's as PCGS's standards are tougher on cameos IMHO.

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  • CoinJunkieCoinJunkie Posts: 8,772 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 27, 2021 3:11PM

    It's not very likely! I think I've only received an upgrade on two or three occasions when crossing NGC ==> PCGS. The one I remember clearly was a 1718 British Half-Guinea that I bought in as N35 and crossed to a PC40. I no longer own the coin, but did locate some old images (courtesy of Todd Pollack).

  • panexpoguypanexpoguy Posts: 1,239 ✭✭✭✭✭

    In my first crossover attempt I submitted 6 coins, 5 crossed. Two Morgan’s in 66 came back as 66+. Wasn’t looking for upgrades and maybe a plus doesn’t really count.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It happens occasionally... I have seen the occasional upgrade posted here... I would call it a rare occurrence. Good luck, Cheers, RickO

  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 7,188 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 28, 2021 6:11AM

    I don’t believe that’s something generalizations can be made about. However I know of instances upgrades & downgrades both ways. Each coin is different in its potential upgrade plus each situation different: timing, graders, etc. it’s like running student body left around the left hash.

    My most recent experience NGC crackout USGTC came back same grade.

    A large part is the expertise of the person attempting the cross. It’s no surprise some little novice will get stuffed in the backfield. However there are non controllable factors as per above.

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