NGC Peace Dollar Fake Label?

1madman

I need help figuring out what’s going on with this slab. Guy has the coin for sale on eBay here in an ngc MS63 holder:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/114783528662?hash=item1ab9a1a6d6:g:enAAAOSw7AxgO2-O

But when I do the Cert lookup on ngc’s website, it shows it being in an artificial toning holder:

https://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/3568585-001/63/

What am I missing? How is this possible? I’ve never seen this before.

Kliao

Interesting. The cert look up does say its a MS63 however the picture shows as a details slab. I would think the coin was sent in to NGC again and was straight graded and used the same cert number but the picture was never replaced with the 63 label.

TomB

The NGC lookup link gives you an email address to send them this very question. They could likely help better than any here could since they have more information on the piece.

Regardless, that is a look that says AT to me and was quite popular, in my experience, in the 1990s.

MsMorrisine

I would solve your question by looking at the coin, then consider that is a horrible set of colors to have, then decide never to look at that coin again.

TurtleCat

Yeesh, very bad AT on that one.

jmlanzaf

It looks to me like it was reconsidered and you're seeing the original slab photo. The NGC site indicates MS63 not UNC details.

The slab is real, methinks, as is the coin.

You may return to arguing NT vs. AT, although that was not the OP's question.

U1chicago

I've had something similar happen. The coin I had was MS 65 while the cert page showed a picture with MS 65 PL.
Upon asking NGC, they replied that the picture was taken before the final check over. The coin was decided to be a 65 (not PL) and the label was updated but the photo was not.

You can contact NGC and they might allow you to send it back to them for an updated photo (although there is a chance they determine it actually was AT and update the label instead of the photo).

jmlanzaf

@U1chicago said:
I've had something similar happen. The coin I had was MS 65 while the cert page showed a picture with MS 65 PL.
Upon asking NGC, they replied that the picture was taken before the final check over. The coin was decided to be a 65 (not PL) and the label was updated but the photo was not.

You can contact NGC and they might allow you to send it back to them for an updated photo (although there is a chance they determine it actually was AT and update the label instead of the photo).

Wouldn't that be a kick in the head

TurtleCat

@jmlanzaf said:

@U1chicago said:
I've had something similar happen. The coin I had was MS 65 while the cert page showed a picture with MS 65 PL.
Upon asking NGC, they replied that the picture was taken before the final check over. The coin was decided to be a 65 (not PL) and the label was updated but the photo was not.

You can contact NGC and they might allow you to send it back to them for an updated photo (although there is a chance they determine it actually was AT and update the label instead of the photo).

Wouldn't that be a kick in the head

Yeah, and totally creates unnecessary confusion. Not a good strategy, IMO.

U1chicago

@TurtleCat said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@U1chicago said:
I've had something similar happen. The coin I had was MS 65 while the cert page showed a picture with MS 65 PL.
Upon asking NGC, they replied that the picture was taken before the final check over. The coin was decided to be a 65 (not PL) and the label was updated but the photo was not.

You can contact NGC and they might allow you to send it back to them for an updated photo (although there is a chance they determine it actually was AT and update the label instead of the photo).

Wouldn't that be a kick in the head

Yeah, and totally creates unnecessary confusion. Not a good strategy, IMO.

I've seen it happen with both major TPGs (although for PCGS the fix is usually easier since they don't have the slab picture and can often just change the TrueView-if the wrong one was used).

TurtleCat

@U1chicago said:

@TurtleCat said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@U1chicago said:
I've had something similar happen. The coin I had was MS 65 while the cert page showed a picture with MS 65 PL.
Upon asking NGC, they replied that the picture was taken before the final check over. The coin was decided to be a 65 (not PL) and the label was updated but the photo was not.

You can contact NGC and they might allow you to send it back to them for an updated photo (although there is a chance they determine it actually was AT and update the label instead of the photo).

Wouldn't that be a kick in the head

Yeah, and totally creates unnecessary confusion. Not a good strategy, IMO.

I've seen it happen with both major TPGs (although for PCGS the fix is usually easier since they don't have the slab picture and can often just change the TrueView-if the wrong one was used).

I’m sure it happens at both as I’ve seen trueviews that for updated. But this seems like a simple fix for NGC: either rescan the slab after finalization if something changed or don’t scan at all until after finalization.

U1chicago

@TurtleCat said:

@U1chicago said:

@TurtleCat said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@U1chicago said:
I've had something similar happen. The coin I had was MS 65 while the cert page showed a picture with MS 65 PL.
Upon asking NGC, they replied that the picture was taken before the final check over. The coin was decided to be a 65 (not PL) and the label was updated but the photo was not.

You can contact NGC and they might allow you to send it back to them for an updated photo (although there is a chance they determine it actually was AT and update the label instead of the photo).

Wouldn't that be a kick in the head

Yeah, and totally creates unnecessary confusion. Not a good strategy, IMO.

I've seen it happen with both major TPGs (although for PCGS the fix is usually easier since they don't have the slab picture and can often just change the TrueView-if the wrong one was used).

I’m sure it happens at both as I’ve seen trueviews that for updated. But this seems like a simple fix for NGC: either rescan the slab after finalization if something changed or don’t scan at all until after finalization.

I agree that it seems simple.
I'm not sure, but maybe that is the process (photo after finalization). This (and the one I had) might be a few of those rare cases where something else changed and the process was thrown off. It stinks when you are on the losing end of that, but it does happen.

CalifornianKing

Looks like AT to me. I'd avoid it. But up to you.

ricko

Contact NGC... They will sort the situation out ... but the coin (IMO) is AT.... Cheers, RickO

1madman

I contacted NGC to see what their response would be, and they got back with me this morning saying the ms63 grade is correct and that they will now block the pictures of the coin in the slab. Guess that’s the easy way to cover up the mistake?