Can some expert tell me what PCGS holder this is?

trueblood

joeykoins

May be from a Coin Show Presentation? Looks quite old?

relicsncoins

I think it's a gen. 4.0

trueblood

@relicsncoins said:
I think it's a gen. 4.0

But its no where near a match other than the only major similarity is its in a blue label imo
I am befuddled

relicsncoins

@trueblood said:

@relicsncoins said:
I think it's a gen. 4.0

But its no where near a match other than the only major similarity is its in a blue label imo
I am befuddled

Also, the barcode in on the back. After the gen. 4.0 it was moved to the front.

Lazybones

I shal consult my slab book by Conder.

Lazybones

According to my Conder101 Slab Book, it's a PCGS6

relicsncoins

@Lazybones said:
According to my Conder101 Slab Book, it's a PCGS6

PCGS 6 has the barcode on the front.

Rexford

What about it isn’t a match to a 4.0?

relicsncoins

Here you go.

https://www.pcgs.com/holders

Lazybones

From the book PCGS6:

Front:

Back:

relicsncoins

@Lazybones said:
From the book PCGS6:

Front:

Back:

According to the link I posted above from the PCGS website, the Gen 6.0 has the barcode on the front. The only blue label holder according to them with the barcode on the back is the Gen 4.0

trueblood

It does not match the 4.0 other than the barcode on the back. But the fonts and size of the fonts are completely different, the color is different but that could be due to age. In addition the color of the PCGS lettering is different too. Who knows but thank you anyway for your time and effort
I just thought it was interesting

MetroD

@Lazybones said:
From the book PCGS6:
Front:
Back:

@relicsncoins said:
According to the link I posted above from the PCGS website, the Gen 6.0 has the barcode on the front. The only blue label holder according to them with the barcode on the back is the Gen 4.0

It looks like the same holder.

Is it possible that the PCGS "museum" and "Condor" use a different numbering system?
Specifically, the "museum" labels it GEN4.0, while "Condor" denotes it as PCGS6

relicsncoins

They also added the series and coin number on the Gen 4.0 with the exception of patterns, colonials and bullion. The font may be different because of the amount of writing they had to fit on the label.

Rexford

The date and denomination are smaller because it is a Mint Error, that’s all. Here is another example:

https://coins.ha.com/itm/errors/1980-p-5c-jefferson-nickel-struck-on-cent-planchet-ms63-red-pcgs-a-lustrous-pink-gold-wrong-planchet-mint-error-that-has/a/360-12188.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515

relicsncoins

The cert number also falls in the 4.0 range.

trueblood

@Rexford said:
The date and denomination are smaller because it is a Mint Error, that’s all. Here is another example:

https://coins.ha.com/itm/errors/1980-p-5c-jefferson-nickel-struck-on-cent-planchet-ms63-red-pcgs-a-lustrous-pink-gold-wrong-planchet-mint-error-that-has/a/360-12188.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515

Notice my example doesn't have SERIES on the label, so it is very different imo
Thanks

MetroD

@trueblood said:
Notice my example doesn't have SERIES on the label, so it is very different imo
Thanks

The PCGS GEN4.0 label included series and coin numbers for regular US issues, not patterns.
Link

The coin in your OP, PCGS #11720, is a pattern.
Link

trueblood

I would never have known that, thanks

ElKevvo

Good stuff...and I learned something coin related today so that finishes the day for me on a good note!

K

Zoins

It looks like Gen 4.0 here:

https://www.pcgs.com/holders

Namvet69

How to authenticate the holder? Markers to identify? Inquiring minds want to know. Peace Roy

ricko

This thread makes me wonder what generations of slabs I have.... No idea and frankly, not interested in finding out... I will just stick to coins.... Cheers, RickO

Lakesammman

You need to remember that PCGS generations developed here on the forum (based on labels) is different than PCGS generations as defined by PCGS (which was more about the plastic).

I've cut and pasted below info from my PCGS generations thread - hope it helps.

PCGS 6.0 Conder101 writes: "In Nov of 98 PCGS dropped the green label in favor of the current light blue. This first light blue variety usually stikes people as being odd but they have problems putting their finger on exactly why. On this variety the date is found in the upper left hand corner and the denomination/type is in the upper right corner. In the center of the second line is PCGS and the grade. The serial number is at the center of the bottom label, and the barcode has been banished to the back label. This variety was only used for circulation type coins (including proofs). This variety was only used in Nov and Dec of 1998."

In Mike Sherman's update, he clarifies the scarcity of this style. It was actually produced from 1998-2002 and used for those coins that didn't have a well established coin numbering system (moderns, errors, colonials, etc). So, for example, you will see hundreds of these with colonials in them but you won't find a 1938-D Buffalo nickel since the Buff had a well developed numbering system by this generation! Bottom line is it's a Conder101 Gen. 7 label w/o a coin series/number.

Also, note the change in the hologram on the reverse, now featuring the PNG logo. The sides of the hologram will become outwardly convex in later generations. Note also the variations in the length of the serial numbers from earlier generations (7 vs 8).

MetroD

@Namvet69 said:
How to authenticate the holder? Markers to identify? Inquiring minds want to know. Peace Roy

Info on the security features in the current generation of holders can be found here.

IMHO, the highlights are:
~ the NFC chip (standard since OCT-2020);
~ a plastic additive that is detectable with a "reader" that PCGS has supplied to select authorized dealers.

Zoins

@Lakesammman said:
You need to remember that PCGS generations developed here on the forum (based on labels) is different than PCGS generations as defined by PCGS (which was more about the plastic).

It seems like (at least some) PCGS generations are also defined by labels.

• The only difference between Gen 1.0 and 1.1 is the type of printer
• The only difference between Gen 1.1 and 1.2 is the color of the label

Gen 1.0: https://www.pcgs.com/holders/Gen1.0

White Label - Crude dot matrix

• Two piece "Rattler" plastic holder
• White unribbed cardboard stock - perf edges
• Crude dot matrix printer (not shape of thee numeral "5")
• 4 alignment pins

Only used for the first few days of PCGS operations. Very rare.

Gen 1.1: https://www.pcgs.com/holders/Gen1.1

White Label - Improved Printer

• Two piece "Rattler" plastic holder
• White unribbed cardboard stock - perf edges
• Improved dot matrix printer
• 4 alignment pins

In use for a week or so in mid-February 1986. All white labels are in the 10800000 series. Rare.

Gen 1.2: https://www.pcgs.com/holders/Gen1.2

Green* Label

• Two piece "Rattler" plastic holder
• Pale green ribbed cardboard stock - perf edges
• Improved dot matrix printer
• 4 alignment pins

By the end of February, PCGS has settled on a pale green insert color. Common, though growing scarcer with the passage of time.

MetroD

@Lakesammman

Thanks for the informative post.

Would it be possible for you to post a link to your thread?

Lakesammman

Sure - it is different than the PCGS system but I find it personally helpful and is how I organize my plastic.

https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/918775/pcgs-generations-updated-6-7-20#latest

tradedollarnut

@Zoins said:
It looks like Gen 4.0 here:

https://www.pcgs.com/holders

To be historically accurate, those should all have the same coin with the grade increasing each era.

MetroD

@Lakesammman said:
Sure - it is different than the PCGS system but I find it personally helpful and is how I organize my plastic.

https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/918775/pcgs-generations-updated-6-7-20#latest

Thank you. I appreciate it.

trueblood

Thanks to everyone here who helped answer my question. All I care about is its from Nov 1998 and that is a long time ago in my book!