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zas107zas107 Posts: 831 ✭✭✭


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  • relicsncoinsrelicsncoins Posts: 7,905 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A coin with that much detail should have a decent amount of luster. The surfaces look flat which leads me to believe they have been altered.

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  • zas107zas107 Posts: 831 ✭✭✭

    It has a good deal of luster, my photos are simply bad. It is actually quite reflective (and straight graded).

  • relicsncoinsrelicsncoins Posts: 7,905 ✭✭✭✭✭

    In that case, I'll go with 62.

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  • braddickbraddick Posts: 23,946 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wonderful strike and pleasing surfaces. MS64 (as PCGS is stingy with GEM grades for the series.)

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  • HighReliefHighRelief Posts: 3,672 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I am thinking 63+

  • CoinJunkieCoinJunkie Posts: 8,772 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice-looking coin. Depends a lot on the luster, but somewhere around 64 seems likely.

  • SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,498 ✭✭✭✭✭

    63, the reverse rim ding may limit the grade.

  • MrweaseluvMrweaseluv Posts: 219 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 22, 2021 3:01PM

    i'm with HighRelief.. 63+
    I'd go 65 if it were not for the rim ding on the reverse

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  • ThreeCentSilverFLThreeCentSilverFL Posts: 1,686 ✭✭✭✭✭

    62 because you said it straight graded. But I also noticed the reverse rim ding before you qualified that it had graded.

  • zas107zas107 Posts: 831 ✭✭✭

    Tough crowd! No one has hit it yet :)

  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 9,967 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The reason no one has hit it is the photos show no luster at all. Luster is king in MS coins. If it had a lot of luster I would guess 65+. If not 62.
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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,412 ✭✭✭✭✭

    64+ and regardless of the assigned grade, the coin looks as if it has adequate luster. Despite some of the comments in this thread, I see numerous classic coins graded as high as 66 with no more apparent luster than this one.

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  • ElKevvoElKevvo Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭✭✭

    65...and nice coin!

    K

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  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 22, 2021 6:16PM

    right or wrong the lighting sucks.
    I think I'm nuts seeing others' grades, including @MFeld

    altered surfaces would have been my first choice :#

    Burnt lustre 58 rub on thigh/knee B)

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  • stealerstealer Posts: 3,995 ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 22, 2021 6:12PM

    64+ at PCGS. 65/65+ at NGC.

  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like a text book 58 or 58+ to me.

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,412 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 22, 2021 6:19PM

    @ColonelJessup said:
    right or wrong the lighting sucks.
    I think I'm nuts seeing others' grades, including @MFeld

    altered surfaces would have been my first choice :#

    Burnt lustre 58 rub on thigh/knee B)

    58 was actually my first thought. The “tough crowd” comment caused me to be flexible.😉

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  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @ColonelJessup said:
    right or wrong the lighting sucks.
    I think I'm nuts seeing others' grades, including @MFeld

    altered surfaces would have been my first choice :#

    Burnt lustre 58 rub on thigh/knee B)

    58 was actually my first thought.

    Neither of us can grade from pictures :p

    NNCS 66

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  • JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'll guess 64.

  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 22, 2021 6:31PM

    @stealer said:
    64+ at PCGS. 65/65+ at NGC.

    Great to see you Dan. o:) I told you years ago you'd be picking me off some day :#

    edited to add: Dan used to be an Ebay shark. I'd like to bet against myself on this one.
    He also used to fetishize Trade Dollar varieties

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  • markelman1125markelman1125 Posts: 1,843 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Ms 61

  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,793 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 22, 2021 6:42PM

    Soooooo, I'm going to go out on a limb and assume this coin now lives in a PCGS holder????

    It's pretty clean, with nice fields, nice detail, and one pretty significant rim bump. I agree with everyone else - the photo suggests a dull, lifeless coin. Assuming the luster is good, I'd be somewhere around MS64 or 64+. If it looks like the photos in-hand, I'd be somewhere around MS61-62. The lighting used for these photos makes them pretty hard to interpret.

  • stealerstealer Posts: 3,995 ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 22, 2021 7:33PM

    @ColonelJessup said:

    @stealer said:
    64+ at PCGS. 65/65+ at NGC.

    Great to see you Dan. o:) I told you years ago you'd be picking me off some day :#

    edited to add: Dan used to be an Ebay shark. I'd like to bet against myself on this one.
    He also used to fetishize Trade Dollar varieties

    Good to see you around as well Rick!

    I've been known to find a thing or two here and there on eBay still, but I'd probably bet against myself on most things grading related these days. Trade Dollars continue to be the most fortuitous series for me to cherrypick ;)

  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,754 ✭✭✭✭✭

    55

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  • fathomfathom Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Strike is all there but I can't get the surfaces from the lighting.

  • LazybonesLazybones Posts: 1,455 ✭✭✭✭✭

    58 because of rub on knee and rims.

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  • zas107zas107 Posts: 831 ✭✭✭

    @BryceM said:
    Soooooo, I'm going to go out on a limb and assume this coin now lives in a PCGS holder????

    It's pretty clean, with nice fields, nice detail, and one pretty significant rim bump. I agree with everyone else - the photo suggests a dull, lifeless coin. Assuming the luster is good, I'd be somewhere around MS64 or 64+. If it looks like the photos in-hand, I'd be somewhere around MS61-62. The lighting used for these photos makes them pretty hard to interpret.

    Yes it is in a pcgs holder My pictures are truly terrible. It appears like there is minor rub but there is not. The coin was submitted walk-through Service as the value warranted it and PCGS agreed if that is any hint as to the grade.

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,412 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @zas107 said:

    @BryceM said:
    Soooooo, I'm going to go out on a limb and assume this coin now lives in a PCGS holder????

    It's pretty clean, with nice fields, nice detail, and one pretty significant rim bump. I agree with everyone else - the photo suggests a dull, lifeless coin. Assuming the luster is good, I'd be somewhere around MS64 or 64+. If it looks like the photos in-hand, I'd be somewhere around MS61-62. The lighting used for these photos makes them pretty hard to interpret.

    Yes it is in a pcgs holder My pictures are truly terrible. It appears like there is minor rub but there is not. The coin was submitted walk-through Service as the value warranted it and PCGS agreed if that is any hint as to the grade.

    It can be difficult to assess coins based even upon good images. It can be folly to try to do so when the images are “truly terrible”. Perhaps it would have been better to have waited and posted better images for a “guess the grade”.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • zas107zas107 Posts: 831 ✭✭✭

    You are absolutely right Mark! Not that one can grade all that well from true views but I will post that when it is available. Hopefully soon as it was graded last week.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Well... My first impression was AU... and 53 if I had to choose a number.... I assume the pictures were prior to grading....Cheers, RickO

  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 23, 2021 1:59PM

    Walkthrough?
    That's the tier for coins $20K or more value. And that was confirmed by its expected grade being validated by the grade assigned.

    MS66+ ? 1854-S weak "S"?

    Am I irritated because I guessed wrong? Every grade above 60 had already been mentioned and I didn't like the "the picture of" the coin. so no 62 (64 with rub). Or is it because I made the erroneous assumption that these were reasonably accurate images available and then wasted my time. My bad! :'(

    @Mfeld is too kind. :s

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  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,793 ✭✭✭✭✭

    So what is it?

  • zas107zas107 Posts: 831 ✭✭✭

    Here is a slightly better photo of the obverse. The coin is a proof which I don't think many picked up on. Will post the grade soon™

  • android01android01 Posts: 306 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS63

  • tcollectstcollects Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @zas107 said:

    Here is a slightly better photo of the obverse. The coin is a proof which I don't think many picked up on. Will post the grade soon™

    based on that photo 68 CAC

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,412 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @zas107 said:

    Here is a slightly better photo of the obverse. The coin is a proof which I don't think many picked up on. Will post the grade soon™

    If it’s a Proof, the images are even worse than I thought.🤭😮

    😉

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  • stealerstealer Posts: 3,995 ✭✭✭✭

    @zas107 said:

    Here is a slightly better photo of the obverse. The coin is a proof which I don't think many picked up on. Will post the grade soon™

    Wow, I would never have guessed that it was a proof based on those photos. I guess I need to expand my horizons beyond proof dollars.

    Next you're going to tell me that you bought it off of eBay, which is really going to make me sulk!

  • zas107zas107 Posts: 831 ✭✭✭

    I typically don't photograph coins (obviously). The photo was taken under a grading lamp (100 watt crystal clear GE bulb). I think maybe it was too bright to show the reflectivity. I'm heading over the BST to buy a photo setup if I can find the thread lol.

  • HigashiyamaHigashiyama Posts: 2,192 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If the original post had also said: hint, it’s a proof; I might have guessed that it was a details grade. The photo makes seem totally devoid of reflectivity. With the second photo, perhaps if I use my imagination...

    Higashiyama
  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,412 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That looks a bit different and nicer. ;)

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  • marcmoishmarcmoish Posts: 6,272 ✭✭✭✭✭

    omg this is like the worse GTG ever - proof is guesses at 58-64's , I was on the fence at 62, best thing you have going here was super clean fingernails.

    P.S. Seriously nice piece, I'd never have guessed that a PF65 - wow :)

  • CoinJunkieCoinJunkie Posts: 8,772 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The TV really brings out the color. To repeat what I said originally: nice-looking coin. :)

  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 27, 2021 6:18AM

    Have I been here 10 years? Those are among (if not) the worst images I have ever seen here.
    If you know in advance the pictures are "terrible", why post as a tease(?). The second image made my eyes bleed.

    The coin could be superb. I hope and could imagine so. You should be proud and happy to display it. I've owned at least six proofs of the type and seen quite a few more. Very few of the type are flashy, rather grungy or dusky original.

    With so much of the imagery on this thread having misdirected me, I'm wondering if those clean fingernails actually belong to the OP. :s

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  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    List that coin up for 99 cent start auction on ebay with your 1st pictures. Then privately send me the trueviews. I will happily be the high bidder! ;)

  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,479 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ColonelJessup said:
    Walkthrough?
    That's the tier for coins $20K or more value. And that was confirmed by its expected grade being validated by the grade assigned.

    MS66+ ? 1854-S weak "S"?

    Am I irritated because I guessed wrong? Every grade above 60 had already been mentioned and I didn't like the "the picture of" the coin. so no 62 (64 with rub). Or is it because I made the erroneous assumption that these were reasonably accurate images available and then wasted my time. My bad! :'(

    @Mfeld is too kind. :s

    Although it is fun to guess, I'm really gonna have to stop. I agree with the rub thing, even though it isn't there.

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  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 28, 2021 6:37PM

    @zas107 - while I am no less critical of your photography skills than I was before, I should have constructively mentioned that there are numerous threads on the Forum about at-home photography :)

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  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,160 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Well, I'm all over the map now that there are updated images! I was initially going to say AU58 of 58+ because I thought I saw an area of rub on Liberty's knee... I'm not so sure with the True Views... MS64/65??

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