I do not see how you could have what appear to me as raised lines running under the letters from PMD. However I' am not an error coin expert and am equally unsure how that would happen during the striking process.
That is interesting. My first instinct is to say PMD. The letters do not appear to be spaced consistently. But I am not sure how that was made. I look forward to seeing what the experts have to say.
My first instinct is that it was struck through a multistruck fragment. The mechanism would be similar to a dropped letter, where something filled the die then fell out and was struck into the surface of a subsequent coin, but on a larger scale.
Very interested to hear what other error guys think of it.
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I vote error. I see no way the corner of the E would be intact if it was PMD. I think struck through something like @seanq says. Something impacting the coin hard enough to cause that would leave a visible mark on the obverse which we don't see here.
Would it be possible that a piece of the die with UNUM on it broke off and was double struck? Can't imagine how this could be done at the mint otherwise. Also, have no idea how PMD could have done it. Weird.
Jim
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There's also a double image under the UNUM. Strange.
Pete
Yes, I propose that the larger(lower) impression is the impression from the original strike of the fragment and was squished by the first through-striking(the previous coin off this press). The normal sized looking impression was added to the fragment from the through-striking of the previous coin, then was struck-through on this coin leaving what we see here.
How this fragment would have stayed in the same general location for 3 strikes is beyond me.
I think it's struck thru a detached lamination piece -
As SeanQ said, the effect is like a Dropped Letter, but
I don't see it as a fragment - more like a thin piece
of detached metal.
Odd that it's from the exact area where it ended up -
and it looks like it was struck once before it was
struck (inverted) onto this coin.
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My first thought was some sort of PMD, but I can't think of any way the UNUM would be inverted and intact, and it wouldn't account for the horizontal scratches under UNUM. The more I look at it, the more likely it seems to be some sort of error as Sean or jesbroken referred to. I've really never seen anything like it. Thanks for sharing!
I'm sure the expert will be along momentarily... I'd love to get @FredWeinberg take on this piece...
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Huh, first time ANACS and I have agreed on something in quite a while. Nice pick.
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I don't think that's an error, but I am not an error expert. Nevertheless it has a nice strike for a 1923-S.
I do not see how you could have what appear to me as raised lines running under the letters from PMD. However I' am not an error coin expert and am equally unsure how that would happen during the striking process.
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That is interesting. My first instinct is to say PMD. The letters do not appear to be spaced consistently. But I am not sure how that was made. I look forward to seeing what the experts have to say.
That is a weird one....I look forward to seeing what @FredWeinberg has to say about this. Cheers, RickO
My first instinct is that it was struck through a multistruck fragment. The mechanism would be similar to a dropped letter, where something filled the die then fell out and was struck into the surface of a subsequent coin, but on a larger scale.
Very interested to hear what other error guys think of it.
Sean Reynolds
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
I vote error. I see no way the corner of the E would be intact if it was PMD. I think struck through something like @seanq says. Something impacting the coin hard enough to cause that would leave a visible mark on the obverse which we don't see here.
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Would it be possible that a piece of the die with UNUM on it broke off and was double struck? Can't imagine how this could be done at the mint otherwise. Also, have no idea how PMD could have done it. Weird.
Jim
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
You will all find out after the "BIG GUN" comments.
There's also a double image under the UNUM. Strange.
Pete
it could be what jesbroken mentioned im almost sure stranger things have happened
Yes, I propose that the larger(lower) impression is the impression from the original strike of the fragment and was squished by the first through-striking(the previous coin off this press). The normal sized looking impression was added to the fragment from the through-striking of the previous coin, then was struck-through on this coin leaving what we see here.
How this fragment would have stayed in the same general location for 3 strikes is beyond me.
Collector, occasional seller
ya, i'm on-board with the other assessments about struck-through frag. pretty nifty one at that.
I think it's struck thru a detached lamination piece -
As SeanQ said, the effect is like a Dropped Letter, but
I don't see it as a fragment - more like a thin piece
of detached metal.
Odd that it's from the exact area where it ended up -
and it looks like it was struck once before it was
struck (inverted) onto this coin.
for PCGS. A 49+-Year PNG Member...A full numismatist since 1972, retired in 2022
My first thought was some sort of PMD, but I can't think of any way the UNUM would be inverted and intact, and it wouldn't account for the horizontal scratches under UNUM. The more I look at it, the more likely it seems to be some sort of error as Sean or jesbroken referred to. I've really never seen anything like it. Thanks for sharing!
I'm sure the expert will be along momentarily... I'd love to get @FredWeinberg take on this piece...
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I actually cherrypicked it from a coin club auction lot of random coins. The seller thought it was damaged...................wrong!
I submitted it to ANACS. I guess the ANACS attribution grader could also be wrong.
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Huh, first time ANACS and I have agreed on something in quite a while. Nice pick.
Sean Reynolds
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cool looking cent!
Good pick. I like it.