Submitting to CAC for a Green Sticker
robbylu52
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Reposting some pictures of a 1960 Franklin Half Dollar that I posted a few days ago. These seem to be be clearer and better taken. Please re-advise me if I should submit this coin for a green sticker at CAC. Thanks.
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Go ahead, and be sure to let us know how it makes out. Cheers, RickO
You can go to CAC and see their pop reports.
There are 22 other coins in your grade and CAM that have gotten the Green Bean.
Book value is $101
Not sure it adds value, but would be fun to test.
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Only if you want to, I don't think I would do it if the goal is higher "value".
I would enjoy it and not worry if someone else thinks it's a premium coin.
Collector, occasional seller
Thanks for all your responses. I want to validate my own opinion by sending this coin and 4 others in my collection to CAC as they all have great eye appeal. I have a Buffalo, Walker, Lincoln, and mercury dime in my type set all with a beautiful look. I will post the results.
I often wonder if JA laughs or frowns when some of these submissions come in.
Send it if you want, but I think there are less expensive ways to validate your opinion for a coin in this price range.
Unless that is shadowing in the pics, I don't think it would even pass for Cam w/PCGS today. It looks like areas in the hair, neck, and bell are missing frost.
If I had an extra space on a full submission to CAC I might consider sending your coin assuming I had nothing else that would see a better possible financial gain from a bean. Sending one or four coins at a time is expensive.
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I doubt the CAC designation would add much value to a common date Franklin CAM, although it might be worthwhile if it was a DCAM.
My Jefferson nickel registry
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/alltimeset/188986
My classic commemorative registry
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/alltimeset/255614
This seems reasonable.
Collector, occasional seller
We're all supposed to be enjoying ourselves here.
Sure does. Love to know what his story is that he is carrying on a one man anti-CAC crusade.
There is no shadowing at all coinscratchfever.
And I thought my day at the doctor went off the rails... dang
The hobby is about enjoyment.
I clog up PCGS pipeline with worthless coins all the time.
It is about a sense of satisfaction and enjoyment.... and if lucky a bit of positive $$$
Seeking a great bean is no different, especially since it fits in line with your existing type collection.
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Then yes, there is some frost missing? I don't see it getting a sticker but what do I know.
Not worth the expense of trying for a sticker.
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Do you have access to a scope? Some close ups are necessary to accurately grade or even come close to grading.
Why?
This one from Coin facts is a no cam even though the obverse looks dcam but the reverse is weak.
Followed by a cam that appears to have breaks. But has thicker frosting.
Then no mistaking on this dcam.
10x loupe you mean as a scope or do they use 7x
As sated, that’s not close to accurate.
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Are you saying that I was correct in my original assessment or just an overall opinion based on the comments? It would be nice to hear a technical reason for the purposes of education rather than a bunch of snide comments that really do nothing to help the beginners. And remember there will be thousands of eyes (known as lurkers) who may really just be learners awaiting your response
No pressure! And I mean that in the best possible way.
At least part of the issue is the cameo designation. Magnification, especially significant magnification, should not be necessary to determine cameo as that designation is based on macroscopic contrast not microscopic defects.
I think it also depends on what you mean by "scope". If you are talking about a 7x lens with a camera as opposed to a 10x (or more) "microscope", then Mark may be more approving of what you are saying. At some point (5-7x), getting closer doesn't help with grading. It can help with variety attribution sometimes. But if you can't tell 64 or 65 with a 5x lens, a 10x or 20x lens isn't going to help. [In my humble opinion.]
In other words, no where on this thread (other than my own conclusion) has it been stated as to why it would not make it. I suppose for most of you it is very obvious with a quick look. But there happens to be a lot more of us that would like to know exactly why.
And I realize that this guy has been written off by some of you from previous CAC posts, ie. An alternate. But again, there are a lot more of us who do not have time to read every post every day that may actually appreciate a real answer.
Sorry for not having explained the reason for my comment.
In most cases, it's extremely difficult, if not impossible, to provide meaningful grade assessments of Proof coins, based upon images. Because grades for Proof coins are determined largely by the extent of hairlines, which don't usually show in images. And scopes/closeups wont change that.
Additionally, different imaging techniques can make Proof coins look more or less cameo than they actually are. And scopes/closeups wont necessarily let viewers know the true degree of frost and cameo contrast, either.
For the record, I made only one ("snide") comment, not "a bunch of snide comments", but that was still one too many.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
One of those few cases of buy the label if the eye appeal is present.
Best advice is to attend shows and look at hundreds of slabbed coins and hundreds of ho hum raw proof sets to train your eye.
Alot like red/brown in Lincolns.... gulf between 20% and 80%... good luck with that!
From personal experience, it requires almost a religious conversion and a specialists zeal to master.
Only to have a grader kill your dreams.
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@Mfeld Thanks for the explanation I guess I thought seeing a close up would show the (what I thought were) obvious breaks better.
And for the record you made zero snide comments, that was meant as a broad statement involving many posters and many threads and including myself on occasion
And I’m sorry if I sounded hangry I will now go and have a cheeseburger.
Thanks again!
Also, I now see the confusion I caused when confusing grading with cameo designations.
Good luck.