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If available, would you collect PCGS NFTs?

MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,333 ✭✭✭✭✭

Yes or no? Thoughts on how it might be done? Good for the hobby?

Seems inevitable that they’ll try it, sooner or later.

Andy Lustig

Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,376 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 3, 2021 1:31PM

    Only if the NFT was associated a photo of box with a custom color :)

    More seriously, it would be interesting if TrueView copyright ownership was available to a coin via a NFT, but I don't think it's good business for PCGS to reassign TrueView copyright ownership. it's much better for them to keep it.

  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would be happy to put up some of my super unique coinage as NFT's thru PCGS ;););)

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,448 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not for me. I want real coins.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 3, 2021 1:32PM

    @PerryHall said:
    Not for me. I want real coins.

    It would be blockchained to a real physical coin that you would take possession of.

  • TurtleCatTurtleCat Posts: 4,628 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @yspsales said:
    NFT?

    Non fungible token. Basically ownership of something entirely digital. Like owning a tweet.

    Myself, never. I don’t see any value in it personally. And I have no desire to own digital art or expression in the manner that would require a NFT.

  • CoinPhysicistCoinPhysicist Posts: 603 ✭✭✭✭

    That’s a big fat ‘no’ from me.

    Successful transactions with: wondercoin, Tetromibi, PerryHall, PlatinumDuck, JohnMaben/Pegasus Coin & Jewelry, CoinFlip, and coinlieutenant.

  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭

    NFT"s can be blockchained to physical property.

  • TurtleCatTurtleCat Posts: 4,628 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Given how often people lose their e-wallet keys and trust them to apps that ultimately steal them it’s still risky. It’s just not my cup of tea. If I’m going to collect something, I’d want it to be tangible.

  • yspsalesyspsales Posts: 2,515 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 3, 2021 1:46PM

    @TurtleCat said:

    @yspsales said:
    NFT?

    Non fungible token. Basically ownership of something entirely digital. Like owning a tweet.

    Myself, never. I don’t see any value in it personally. And I have no desire to own digital art or expression in the manner that would require a NFT.

    Ahhh... like Topps with their digital baseball cards.

    Niet, Nine, Nada

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  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 9,500 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 3, 2021 1:45PM

    I don't fully understand the concept but, if I don't physically own the coin; that would be a HUGE 'NO'! :#

    Sometimes, it’s better to be LUCKY than good. 🍀 🍺👍

    My Full Walker Registry Set (1916-1947):

    https://www.ngccoin.com/registry/competitive-sets/16292/

  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,333 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ErrorsOnCoins said:
    NFT"s can be blockchained to physical property.

    How would that work? I assumed the digital and physical coins would be completely separate and could be owned by two different people.

    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,345 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ErrorsOnCoins said:
    NFT"s can be blockchained to physical property.

    But what's the advantage for something of which I could simply take physical possession?

  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,333 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Didn’t JA once predict that a picture of a Lafayette Dollar would sell for 10K? Could that actually happen? :o

    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 3, 2021 1:52PM

    Guys ....

    Physical Coin ... RF Secure PCGS SLAB .... NFT TrueView

    NFT seller owns the coin and transfers all three of the above to the new owner.

    Blockchain will keep the pedigree forever once it is a NFT.

  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 3, 2021 1:55PM

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @ErrorsOnCoins said:
    NFT"s can be blockchained to physical property.

    But what's the advantage for something of which I could simply take physical possession?

    Pedigree, ownership, cool item in someone's NFT Portfolio / Gallery.

  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 3, 2021 1:56PM

    @MrEureka said:

    @ErrorsOnCoins said:
    NFT"s can be blockchained to physical property.

    How would that work? I assumed the digital and physical coins would be completely separate and could be owned by two different people.

    Tied together forever, Can not own without the other or lose the NFT status.

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,376 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 3, 2021 2:00PM

    @MrEureka said:

    @ErrorsOnCoins said:
    NFT"s can be blockchained to physical property.

    How would that work? I assumed the digital and physical coins would be completely separate and could be owned by two different people.

    Imagine PCGS sold ownership of TrueViews so someone could have the TrueView in a Registry Set without having the coin, while the coin owner would have to use a non-TrueView image in the Registry Set?

  • thefinnthefinn Posts: 2,657 ✭✭✭✭✭

    NO! I laugh at your proposition. But then again, I'm not a Millennial.

    thefinn
  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,345 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ErrorsOnCoins said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @ErrorsOnCoins said:
    NFT"s can be blockchained to physical property.

    But what's the advantage for something of which I could simply take physical possession?

    Pedigree, ownership, cool item in someone's NFT Portfolio / Gallery.

    I'd like to offer you an NFT for your home. While you have physical possession of it, that will not give you one- tenth the pleasure or value of actually owning the NFT.

  • Klif50Klif50 Posts: 692 ✭✭✭✭

    But Boy George was on TV this morning saying how good it is to have an NFT on his new album dedicated to the president of Ghana. I'm not sure how well it works but I'd be willing to send him a picture of a $20 that I'm getting ready to buy gas for the car with.

  • KurisuKurisu Posts: 2,028 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 3, 2021 2:22PM

    Based on NFT's that are currently selling for pretty enormous prices...it would make more sense for people to 'mint' unique coins in 3D. I was just looking at an NFT that is about to sell for quite bit...this one is approaching $20k with just a few hours of bidding to go...
    https://makersplace.com/jonnoorlander/faces-rage-1-of-1-59972/

    A few things...the stuff that's actually selling for these kinds of prices is by somewhat or very well known established artists.
    The people buying obviously have money to burn and are likely looking for some bragging rights.
    Some of this 'art' will certainly go down in value, some will in fact be very good investments as crypto currency continues to be more widely accepted. Also, it costs money to turn any type of artwork (music, video, 3D, photos, etc...) onto a supported blockchain. There are many blockchains which currently can 'host' these encrypted digital assets.

    Basically the digital asset is encoded with pretty amazing encryption on a blockchain...the asset can be set up to be sold and only viewed by the owner, or viewed publicly. The asset can also be set up to pay a royalty to the original seller each time it gets sold to a new owner.
    So you could for example print out a photo that is owned by someone as an NFT, but you can not own the encrypted 'original' digital asset unless you buy it.

    Maybe the best use of this so far is actually by William Shatner who has, well, very Shatner trading cards set up to give him a lifetime royalty each time they are sold and trade hands on the blockchain. So even if his trading cards are only sold for a few bucks to begin with he gets a piece of the action every single time.
    https://shatner.wax.io/

    The real issue is...in the future, do people want to own NFTs? Perhaps to have in virtual reality realms? Perhaps to display on digital screens in ridiculous mansions or museums??? We really don't know. Right now the only value to crypto currencies as apposed to NFTs is if you can ultimately cash in your crypto and/or spend it in the real world.

    Coins are Neato!

    "If it's a penny for your thoughts and you put in your two cents worth, then someone...somewhere...is making a penny." - Steven Wright

  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,333 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Resubmissions could cause some problems. Tricky game.

    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 28,707 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A big fat NO for me

  • GazesGazes Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Dont dismiss it out of hand. Anything that might help numismatics in general should be considered. Certainly appeals to younger individuals and it's not a stretch for someone to want the "real" thing after looking into the digital version.

  • TomBTomB Posts: 21,657 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No.

    Thomas Bush Numismatics & Numismatic Photography

    In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson

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  • ironmanl63ironmanl63 Posts: 1,973 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Hell No!

  • Mr_SpudMr_Spud Posts: 5,869 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I wonder if it would be possible to be joint owners of valuable coins where the joint owners would be able to take turns having the coin in Registry sets and/or one person has the coin in PCGS registry and the other person has it at NGC. But neither has the coin in their possession, rather it is held at a third party company that stores the rare coins in a vault. This might be a way for people to get in the top 10 Registry sets in an affordable way but all they really have is the digital pictures.

    Broaden the concept and you can see how, like a timeshare, a regular collector can be the owner of a multimillion dollar coin for a few weeks a year.

    I think that this would be more interesting to some than just owning a digital photograph. I wouldn’t be interested, but it might be appealing to people who invest in gold without taking physical possession of the gold

    Mr_Spud

  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,494 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No... not to rain on anyone's parade

    Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,376 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Kurisu said:
    Based on NFT's that are currently selling for pretty enormous prices...it would make more sense for people to 'mint' unique coins in 3D. I was just looking at an NFT that is about to sell for quite bit...this one is approaching $20k with just a few hours of bidding to go...

    https://makersplace.com/jonnoorlander/faces-rage-1-of-1-59972/

    You don't even get full ownership:

    You're purchasing the full non-commercial rights to this creation

  • ThreeCentSilverFLThreeCentSilverFL Posts: 1,694 ✭✭✭✭✭

    NFT's linked to PCGS TrueViews and and accompanying Certs, to eliminate counterfeits would be a promising application of the technology.

  • HydrantHydrant Posts: 7,773 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No.

  • CalifornianKingCalifornianKing Posts: 1,259 ✭✭✭✭

    Nope. The gas fees would be a bitcoin.
    (get it? i replaced a curse word with a bad pun!!)

  • breakdownbreakdown Posts: 2,204 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have stubbornly stuck to US coins while cooler collecting trends have come and gone and some (like sports cards) seem to come back.
    So probably no, but I do not begrudge others collecting what they like. There is no explaining the collecting gene. It just is.

    "Look up, old boy, and see what you get." -William Bonney.

  • RichieURichRichieURich Posts: 8,515 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No, but to each his/her own.

    An authorized PCGS dealer, and a contributor to the Red Book.

  • fathomfathom Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭✭✭

    NFT's are crashing.

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,376 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @fathom said:
    NFT's are crashing.

    Not surprising after one sold for $70M.

  • Bruce7789Bruce7789 Posts: 397 ✭✭✭✭

    OK, I'm an old F*rt and out of touch with what you can do through PCGS, so technically When I buy or have a coin encapsulated by PCGS I can go online, feed in the numbers, download or copy a Trueview image of the coin and not only have the set physically in hand, but can also have a virtual collection? AND apparently I can sell that virtual collection for hypothetical dollars payable through Bitcoin or one of the pseudo currencies?

    Who dreams this crap up?

    No thanks!

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No!! However, I do see it as an opportunity for some individuals with unique items, to make a lot of money. That is the motivation, and, will also result in others losing money. Cheers, RickO

  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,464 ✭✭✭✭✭

    An emphatic NO!

    All glory is fleeting.
  • mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't understand it and don't want to.

  • coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 11,586 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No I have no interest in that.

    My Lincoln Registry
    My Collection of Old Holders

    Never a slave to one plastic brand will I ever be.
  • 3stars3stars Posts: 2,291 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I’ll just keep right clicking and copying pictures I like into my personal album for free...

    Previous transactions: Wondercoin, goldman86, dmarks, Type2
  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @fathom said:
    NFT's are crashing.

    But, but why?
    Oh, because of Infinite supply?

    Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry

  • ShaunBC5ShaunBC5 Posts: 1,746 ✭✭✭✭✭

    As an elder millennial, my answer is “I don’t think so.”
    Right now it’s a no, but in a few years if there’s a platform I like and I understand it better, or if I think it might help my kids enjoy the hobby...I’m not ruling it out.

  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 4, 2021 1:15PM

    "IF" NFT Galleries / Portfolios really take off and there is a huge collector base, I could see Trophy Coins getting into the game.

  • BillyKingsleyBillyKingsley Posts: 2,661 ✭✭✭✭

    No. I only collect something I can actually collect. If you can't hold it in your hands you didn't actually collect it.

    Billy Kingsley ANA R-3146356 Cardboard History // Numismatic History

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