@KendallCat said:
If 1980 is a $1000 tray what does that make 1978 and 1979 understanding that neither has a Henderson rookie.
IMO 1978 Topps easily eclipses 1980 Topps and 1979 Topps for that matter when it comes to the RC equation. The Henderson is a WHALE for sure but the only other notable RC out of the set is Rick Sutcliffe. Am I wrong?
1978 Topps RC
Eddie Murray - HOF
Paul Molitor / Alan Trammell - DUAL HOF'er RC
Jack Morris
Lou Whitaker
Lance Parrish
1979 Topps has the gigantic Ozzie RC and then guys like Carney Lansford, Pedro Guerrero, and Rick Honeycutt.
I honestly don't see a comparison. It's quite possible that the '78 set will one day have SIX HOF Rookies in it. But, of course, this has nothing to do with the pricing we are seeing right now. Strange hobby we have
I just got off the phone with Jack Morris and he is very angry that have not added HOF next to his name.
@KendallCat said:
If 1980 is a $1000 tray what does that make 1978 and 1979 understanding that neither has a Henderson rookie.
IMO 1978 Topps easily eclipses 1980 Topps and 1979 Topps for that matter when it comes to the RC equation. The Henderson is a WHALE for sure but the only other notable RC out of the set is Rick Sutcliffe. Am I wrong?
1978 Topps RC
Eddie Murray - HOF
Paul Molitor / Alan Trammell - DUAL HOF'er RC
Jack Morris
Lou Whitaker
Lance Parrish
1979 Topps has the gigantic Ozzie RC and then guys like Carney Lansford, Pedro Guerrero, and Rick Honeycutt.
I honestly don't see a comparison. It's quite possible that the '78 set will one day have SIX HOF Rookies in it. But, of course, this has nothing to do with the pricing we are seeing right now. Strange hobby we have
I just got off the phone with Jack Morris and he is very angry that have not added HOF next to his name.
i just got off the phone w zack morris and he said his arm is tired from holding that motorola up to his head all day!
@KendallCat said:
If 1980 is a $1000 tray what does that make 1978 and 1979 understanding that neither has a Henderson rookie.
IMO 1978 Topps easily eclipses 1980 Topps and 1979 Topps for that matter when it comes to the RC equation. The Henderson is a WHALE for sure but the only other notable RC out of the set is Rick Sutcliffe. Am I wrong?
1978 Topps RC
Eddie Murray - HOF
Paul Molitor / Alan Trammell - DUAL HOF'er RC
Jack Morris
Lou Whitaker
Lance Parrish
1979 Topps has the gigantic Ozzie RC and then guys like Carney Lansford, Pedro Guerrero, and Rick Honeycutt.
I honestly don't see a comparison. It's quite possible that the '78 set will one day have SIX HOF Rookies in it. But, of course, this has nothing to do with the pricing we are seeing right now. Strange hobby we have
I just got off the phone with Jack Morris and he is very angry that have not added HOF next to his name.
LOL there is a reason I put him before Whitaker and Parrish But you are correct. Shame on me!
Edited in your honor. Just another reason to slow down when posting haha
@NJ80sBBC said:
What does the 1980 wax rack go for?
Is it in same range as a tray?
It's really hard to say because this pricing is brand new and working off recent wax box sales.
I have a 1980 cello box I am planning to list for sale. A month ago, I'd say 4K. Now, I'm guessing 10K (though I would sell it for less). It's really hard to keep track these days.
Just curious Tim and I put you at the top of the experts here.
Why would a wax tray vs wax rack differential depend upon 1980 box price?
With wax trays, you are essentially getting packs FASC, so if a 1980 wax box is currently selling for 10K+ or about $280 a pack, I would put the value of the packs in the tray at $300+ each, as those may also have stars showing on back whereas a generic BBCE wrapped 1980 wax has very possibly been cherrypicked.
I pulled this pack from a torn 1980 wax tray years ago.
I remember you showing that pack here when you hit it. Awesome.
My question is what makes a wax pack from a tray more like FASC va a wax pack from a 3 wax pack rack?
Conundrum - Loving my unopened baseball card collection....but really like ripping too
@NJ80sBBC said:
What does the 1980 wax rack go for?
Is it in same range as a tray?
It's really hard to say because this pricing is brand new and working off recent wax box sales.
I have a 1980 cello box I am planning to list for sale. A month ago, I'd say 4K. Now, I'm guessing 10K (though I would sell it for less). It's really hard to keep track these days.
Just curious Tim and I put you at the top of the experts here.
Why would a wax tray vs wax rack differential depend upon 1980 box price?
With wax trays, you are essentially getting packs FASC, so if a 1980 wax box is currently selling for 10K+ or about $280 a pack, I would put the value of the packs in the tray at $300+ each, as those may also have stars showing on back whereas a generic BBCE wrapped 1980 wax has very possibly been cherrypicked.
I pulled this pack from a torn 1980 wax tray years ago.
I remember you showing that pack here when you hit it. Awesome.
My question is what makes a wax pack from a tray more like FASC va a wax pack from a 3 wax pack rack?
Thanks! I'm glad I held onto that one!
To answer your question: The ability to see the card on back of the pack which is visible through a wax rack but not with a wax tray.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
@NJ80sBBC said:
What does the 1980 wax rack go for?
Is it in same range as a tray?
It's really hard to say because this pricing is brand new and working off recent wax box sales.
I have a 1980 cello box I am planning to list for sale. A month ago, I'd say 4K. Now, I'm guessing 10K (though I would sell it for less). It's really hard to keep track these days.
Just curious Tim and I put you at the top of the experts here.
Why would a wax tray vs wax rack differential depend upon 1980 box price?
With wax trays, you are essentially getting packs FASC, so if a 1980 wax box is currently selling for 10K+ or about $280 a pack, I would put the value of the packs in the tray at $300+ each, as those may also have stars showing on back whereas a generic BBCE wrapped 1980 wax has very possibly been cherrypicked.
I pulled this pack from a torn 1980 wax tray years ago.
I remember you showing that pack here when you hit it. Awesome.
My question is what makes a wax pack from a tray more like FASC va a wax pack from a 3 wax pack rack?
Thanks! I'm glad I held onto that one!
To answer your question: The ability to see the card on back of the pack which is visible through a wax rack but not with a wax tray.
A bit off topic here, but when PSA grades packs and lists it with a rookie showing, what is the best way to go about seeing if that pack has a worthwhile card showing? I have some 79 Topps, 80 Topps, 83 Topps, 84 Donruss packs that I want to send in with my next sub but I'm assuming Steve doesn't look to see if anyone is showing unless it's noted in the sub? Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks! - Corey
Not sure if Steve is allowed to lend a hand on stars showing, bit if he is, I am sure he would!
Re spotting players on front and back of packs, a few things I have tried:
Get close to windows for light
Gently pressing on wrapper
If you can’t the name but can see other aspects of the back of pack card, pull up picture of the most important cards in the set and compare the statistics or other identifying markers
post to the Boards when you are ripping. I’ve received tons of helpful advice what to look for.
@totallyradd said:
A bit off topic here, but when PSA grades packs and lists it with a rookie showing, what is the best way to go about seeing if that pack has a worthwhile card showing? I have some 79 Topps, 80 Topps, 83 Topps, 84 Donruss packs that I want to send in with my next sub but I'm assuming Steve doesn't look to see if anyone is showing unless it's noted in the sub? Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks! - Corey
I'm reasonably sure PSA will put on the flip any requested player they can verify, but if you don't identify the player they figure you don't want it listed. I'm 100% sure people have different opinions on whether a card is worthwhile documenting.
@totallyradd said:
A bit off topic here, but when PSA grades packs and lists it with a rookie showing, what is the best way to go about seeing if that pack has a worthwhile card showing? I have some 79 Topps, 80 Topps, 83 Topps, 84 Donruss packs that I want to send in with my next sub but I'm assuming Steve doesn't look to see if anyone is showing unless it's noted in the sub? Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks! - Corey
I'm reasonably sure PSA will put on the flip any requested player they can verify, but if you don't identify the player they figure you don't want it listed. I'm 100% sure people have different opinions on whether a card is worthwhile documenting.
I tried to see if any rookies were showing, and I couldn't make out anything for any of the packs. Im sure there is a much better technique to it, but I'm just too inexperienced. Ah well.
@totallyradd said:
A bit off topic here, but when PSA grades packs and lists it with a rookie showing, what is the best way to go about seeing if that pack has a worthwhile card showing? I have some 79 Topps, 80 Topps, 83 Topps, 84 Donruss packs that I want to send in with my next sub but I'm assuming Steve doesn't look to see if anyone is showing unless it's noted in the sub? Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks! - Corey
PSA will note on the flip the player showing on front or back of a pack as long as Steve can confirm that during authentication AND you have indicated the player on the submission form. With wax, this is known as "pack pressing" within the hobby to confirm the name or some other characteristic that is unique to a particular card in order to assert that the card is on front or back of the pack. Some years with darker wrappers are tougher to discern than others.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
@softparade said:
BBCE now has a 1980 Topps Wax Box wrapped BBCE (Not FASC) for $10,000
Isn't that 3 packs, 45 cards? Or 22 bucks/card for chance at a Ricky? Just wondering really as I have no idea but did just look at it and google how many cards in such a box.
Wasn't that the group break where the top four boxes in the 1980T wax case were damaged?
I just looked at my box and the FASC date is 09/2015. This box definitely came from that break. I was fortunate to get an undamaged box.
If I recall correctly, we either paid $900 or $950 per box. BBCE wrapping of those boxes was $50 from what I remember, so all in we were at $950 or $1,000.
If I recall correctly, we either paid $900 or $950 per box. BBCE wrapping of those boxes was $50 from what I remember, so all in we were at $950 or $1,000.
Hiya Jeff - yes on your recollection - my recollection is that it was less than a grand (950 sounds about right?)
And yes, there were some damaged boxes which - I believe - Steve made good on?
On the sale?
As was said, BBCE has a box right now for 10K - and "not" FASC.
Here's one ("not" FASC) that just closed on Goldin Auctions:
I would guess that Steve would assign somewhere around 15+% premium to an FASC?
I paid $2800 for a 79T vending case in 1992. $300 (a piece) for a couple of 79T wax boxes and $900 for a sealed 3 box rack case of 79T (this one in 1993/4).
The vending was quite a risk and cost for me back then. Now? It just shows how far dumb luck goes vs skill.
Mike - good to see you on here and you are correct. We paid $950-975 a box on that break we did about 5-6 years ago. Don’t think anyone would believe the boxes would go for what they do now. All I have left from 1980 is a wax tray, FASC vending box, and a few Henderson’s plus a set I just picked up that was really clean.
Wasn't that the group break where the top four boxes in the 1980T wax case were damaged?
I just looked at my box and the FASC date is 09/2015. This box definitely came from that break. I was fortunate to get an undamaged box.
If I recall correctly, we either paid $900 or $950 per box. BBCE wrapping of those boxes was $50 from what I remember, so all in we were at $950 or $1,000.
Jeff
I just checked my box and it's also 9/15, from the same case. I too was fortunate in that my box is in pristine condition.
We ran a BBCE group break last August, hoping to coordinate another after the National (if it goes down) with any product Steve has this year, too.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
@grote15 said:
We ran a BBCE group break last August, hoping to coordinate another after the National (if it goes down) with any product Steve has this year, too.
With the way things are going, by that time it may be $250 a pack for 1988 Topps wax packs!
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I just got off the phone with Jack Morris and he is very angry that have not added HOF next to his name.
kinda why i said "additional" rookie because obviously he's in '77 but it's on one of those quad rookie designs.
as for you forgetting murphy, i know, right! 😉
i just got off the phone w zack morris and he said his arm is tired from holding that motorola up to his head all day!
LOL there is a reason I put him before Whitaker and Parrish
But you are correct. Shame on me!
Edited in your honor. Just another reason to slow down when posting haha
ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240
I remember you showing that pack here when you hit it. Awesome.
My question is what makes a wax pack from a tray more like FASC va a wax pack from a 3 wax pack rack?
Thanks! I'm glad I held onto that one!
To answer your question: The ability to see the card on back of the pack which is visible through a wax rack but not with a wax tray.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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A bit off topic here, but when PSA grades packs and lists it with a rookie showing, what is the best way to go about seeing if that pack has a worthwhile card showing? I have some 79 Topps, 80 Topps, 83 Topps, 84 Donruss packs that I want to send in with my next sub but I'm assuming Steve doesn't look to see if anyone is showing unless it's noted in the sub? Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks! - Corey
Not sure if Steve is allowed to lend a hand on stars showing, bit if he is, I am sure he would!
Re spotting players on front and back of packs, a few things I have tried:
I am sure others have better tricks than me.
Steve
I'm reasonably sure PSA will put on the flip any requested player they can verify, but if you don't identify the player they figure you don't want it listed. I'm 100% sure people have different opinions on whether a card is worthwhile documenting.
I tried to see if any rookies were showing, and I couldn't make out anything for any of the packs. Im sure there is a much better technique to it, but I'm just too inexperienced. Ah well.
PSA will note on the flip the player showing on front or back of a pack as long as Steve can confirm that during authentication AND you have indicated the player on the submission form. With wax, this is known as "pack pressing" within the hobby to confirm the name or some other characteristic that is unique to a particular card in order to assert that the card is on front or back of the pack. Some years with darker wrappers are tougher to discern than others.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
BBCE now has a 1980 Topps Wax Box wrapped BBCE (Not FASC) for $10,000
ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240
Isn't that 3 packs, 45 cards? Or 22 bucks/card for chance at a Ricky? Just wondering really as I have no idea but did just look at it and google how many cards in such a box.
We're all amazed at where these prices have been going?
I can't remember the exact amount but I bought an 80T wax FASC box for under a grand a few years ago on a "group rip" of 2 cases I believe?
On the 79T to include vending?
Just look at these "early" sales of a vending case:
I can see a case going for somewhere between 25 and 35K now?
It really is startling. While I am glad everyone is done so well it kind of kills future BBCE breaks on 95% of the material out there.
Successful card BST transactions with cbcnow, brogurt, gstarling, Bravesfan 007, and rajah 424.
@Stone193
Wasn't that the group break where the top four boxes in the 1980T wax case were damaged?
I just looked at my box and the FASC date is 09/2015. This box definitely came from that break. I was fortunate to get an undamaged box.
If I recall correctly, we either paid $900 or $950 per box. BBCE wrapping of those boxes was $50 from what I remember, so all in we were at $950 or $1,000.
Jeff
Wild.
Have there been any recent confirmed sales of BBCE FASC 1980T wax boxes?
Jeff
Hiya Jeff - yes on your recollection - my recollection is that it was less than a grand (950 sounds about right?)
And yes, there were some damaged boxes which - I believe - Steve made good on?
On the sale?
As was said, BBCE has a box right now for 10K - and "not" FASC.
Here's one ("not" FASC) that just closed on Goldin Auctions:
I would guess that Steve would assign somewhere around 15+% premium to an FASC?
For perspective of the 90s?
I paid $2800 for a 79T vending case in 1992. $300 (a piece) for a couple of 79T wax boxes and $900 for a sealed 3 box rack case of 79T (this one in 1993/4).
The vending was quite a risk and cost for me back then. Now? It just shows how far dumb luck goes vs skill.
Mike - good to see you on here and you are correct. We paid $950-975 a box on that break we did about 5-6 years ago. Don’t think anyone would believe the boxes would go for what they do now. All I have left from 1980 is a wax tray, FASC vending box, and a few Henderson’s plus a set I just picked up that was really clean.
Hiya Keith
Good to see you too buddy and thanx.
The 80T vending is cool.
I have everything I've picked up from the few rips I participated. I'm sure you're not surprised?
On the comment about ripping now?
As was said - this stuff has just gotten very pricey and many may feel the juice is not worth the squeeze?
I just checked my box and it's also 9/15, from the same case. I too was fortunate in that my box is in pristine condition.
there will be soon in may at heritage! 😉
eta: although that could change. private offers on other items coming in by the truckload at mere mention of rare items.
I've not seen any since the recent run-up.
We ran a BBCE group break last August, hoping to coordinate another after the National (if it goes down) with any product Steve has this year, too.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
With the way things are going, by that time it may be $250 a pack for 1988 Topps wax packs!