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  • blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 6,603 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:

    @MsMorrisine said:

    @d9lowe said:

    Lol, what's sad is you have been brainwashed to think that way. It would actually be sad to be you!!

    (he's a doctor in a hospital)

    What kind of doctor Is he? Is he an infectious disease expert or a virologist?

    The guy was talking about going out in a blaze of glory shooting things up before he would take the vaccine. Nuts like that should not be afforded the privilege to own guns. Semper Fi!!!

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  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @koynekwest said:
    By the time April rolls around I should be fully immunized unless I'm one of the unlucky 5%. Once that occurs then I will have nothing to fear attending coin shows. Except dealers who don't like cherrypickers, and I know who most of those are.

    The 95% effectiveness number doesn’t mean 5% get the virus. It means people w/o the vaccine get COVID-19 at a rate of 20:1 compared to vaccinated individuals. In clinical trials for Pfizer, only 0.004% of vaccinated individuals contracted it IIRC.

  • ElmerFusterpuckElmerFusterpuck Posts: 4,801 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This thread has for the most part stayed on mildly choppy seas.

    Threads like this also expose some posters who I'd prefer never to do business with either, at least knowingly.

  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 35,962 ✭✭✭✭✭

    let's not degrade this closeable thread further with name calling and insults.

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  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MsMorrisine said:
    I would think the lungs would be an aerosol pump at a coin show. sure you may be vaccinated but one could still inhale it from one source and exhale it to a new person, no? Isn't that a reason to wear a mask to an event once vaccinated?

    here's something on covid attacking the pancreas - https://www.nature.com/articles/s42255-021-00347-1

    Everyday, in my inbox, there are new articles about the long term effects of COVID. There are potential effects on just about every organ system, and we will not know the extent for some time. Maybe they will be trivial and self-limited. Maybe they will be life-limiting or life-threatening. We do not know. What we do know is that if you do not get the disease, you will not be subject to the immediate risk or the long term effects. Obviously.

    This week, there was an article in the radiology literature about the effects of COVID on the eye, which should be of interest to coin collectors. If you cannot see well enough to read the grade on the slab, you might not know how much the coin is worth. ;)

  • MgarmyMgarmy Posts: 2,296 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 21, 2021 1:14PM

    @RYK said:

    @d9lowe said:
    Haven't taken it and will never take it. If they make it mandatory, i will go out shooting the moment they are forcing it on me. The whole thing is a joke and wont even be a topic of discussion in a year or two!

    It will never be mandatory, but it might be required for the privilege to fly, cruise, or meet Mickey Mouse. You can skip those things and stay home with your guns.

    I am glad that I do not associate with people like you who would rather kill neighbors and fellow citizens than protect them. It must be a sorry and lonely life.

    Sort of hope Darwin takes care of this type of thinking (shooting for mandatory vaccinations WTF)

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 35,962 ✭✭✭✭✭

    stop with the insults,,,, please

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  • MgarmyMgarmy Posts: 2,296 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 21, 2021 1:13PM

    Just read through I have not seen any insults. Once herd is reached the economy will boom, including coins.

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  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,680 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 21, 2021 6:50PM

    @PerryHall said:

    I got vaccinated and I own guns. What does one have to do with the other? Also, those who don't get the vaccination are concerned with potential side effects. For you to assume they want to kill their neighbors and fellow citizens is just plain ridiculous.

    This. Most people do not realize that pharmaceutical companies are protected by federal law from lawsuits concerning vaccinations. I will continue to wear a mask to coin shows and into coin shops until it gets to the point that official papers are required to enter.

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,873 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @RYK said:

    @PerryHall said:

    @MsMorrisine said:

    @d9lowe said:

    Lol, what's sad is you have been brainwashed to think that way. It would actually be sad to be you!!

    (he's a doctor in a hospital)

    What kind of doctor Is he? Is he an infectious disease expert or a virologist?

    He is a radiologist. He sees the scans of people whose lungs have been affected by COVID. He sees the brain scans of people who have had strokes from COVID. He has done procedures on patients with COVID. He has seen his friends and colleagues spend weeks in the ICU with COVID. He has seen many people die, as young as in their 20’s.

    So, tell me about your frontline experience? We can compare notes.

    When did I ever say I've had frontline experience? I did say I got the covid vaccination. I had a couple of friends back in the 1950's that had polio and had to wear leg braces and crutches. I got vaccinated and never got it. I'm a firm believer in vaccinations and got myself and my kids vaccinated for all the usual diseases. I always get the annual flu shot and the shingles shot and never had any adverse reactions.

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  • Pnies20Pnies20 Posts: 2,491 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Lot of cringe in here on both sides 😂

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  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,680 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 21, 2021 6:51PM

    @Pnies20 said:
    Lot of cringe in here on both sides 😂

    Vaccinations require faith and trust.

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  • Pnies20Pnies20 Posts: 2,491 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @derryb said:

    @Pnies20 said:
    Lot of cringe in here on both sides 😂

    Vaccinations require faith and trust. I'm keeping a wait and see attitude.

    That isn’t cringe. It’s okay to not blindly accept everything told to you. Doesn’t necessarily make you a conspiracy theorist.

    I know this is a serious topic in the coin community because there are a lot of friends and family that are high risk and I want to be respectful.

    I’ve been in the thick of this, forced to be in contact with folks that have it and I’ve seen it all. We had to have been in contact with folks that had it before We knew it was here. Know many, many high risk people that have contracted it. Through all that, no one I know has come close to dying and I’m very thankful for that.

    This is real and can be very deadly in certain situations but it has been weaponized to a nuclear level for selfish reasons. I have no time or respect for the theatrics and martyrdom of some ON BOTH SIDES. My eyes may be permanently stuck in the back of my head for how many times I’ve rolled them this past year.

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  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @RYK said:
    If you cannot see well enough to read the grade on the slab, you might not know how much the coin is.

    It sounds like it’s time for a new “ask Siri” iPhone command. >:)

  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,680 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 21, 2021 6:51PM

    @Mgarmy said:
    500,000 ish people in the US dead from this. Really no room for conspiracy theory nonsense.

    Sure it kills people, primarily people with underlying health issues.

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  • MgarmyMgarmy Posts: 2,296 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 21, 2021 1:55PM

    Tinfoil hats on eBay cheap. Just like the Q followers and the seditionists some folks just are not worth the time. Everything is a conspiracy...SMH

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  • Pnies20Pnies20 Posts: 2,491 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 21, 2021 2:14PM

    @Mgarmy said:
    Tinfoil hats on eBay cheap. Just like the Q followers and the seditionists some folks just are not worth the time. Everything is a conspiracy...SMH

    You’re steering this conversation in a wrong direction with unwarranted cheap shots.

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  • MgarmyMgarmy Posts: 2,296 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 21, 2021 2:01PM

    Not steering it anyway. I have already stated that Darwin will sort this out and hopefully sooner rather than later. People are entitled to whatever opinion they can muster, but there is no such thing as alt facts. Will dig this thread up in a year and see what was fact and what was fiction. Good luck

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  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,680 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 21, 2021 6:52PM

    @Mgarmy said:
    Everything is a conspiracy...

    . . . or blind faith.

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  • JBKJBK Posts: 16,454 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Tomorrow the thread will get shut down, and the only question will be if and how many members will get shut down also. :/

  • MgarmyMgarmy Posts: 2,296 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 21, 2021 2:21PM

    Good book out there called the death of expertise. If you have the down time and or the interest it is a good read and it is relevant to this thread. For example, I would not question what Mr. Feld thinks about a coin I post because he has both the education and years of experience to provide an extremely solid position on the hypothetical question posed. Likewise if somebody like Dr. Fauci or several MD forum members say “hey probably good idea to do x,” going to follow that advice as well. Stay safe

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  • DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,379 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 21, 2021 2:19PM

    I'm not an 'anti-vaxxer', but I'm not running to be first in line for this shot.

    I'm waiting and maybe one day or never, who knows.

    By the way, I'm 61 and have never had a flu shot.

    Only had a bad flu once in the last 35 years.

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  • MgarmyMgarmy Posts: 2,296 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That is awesome genes! Stay safe

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,778 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @amwldcoin said:
    100!

    Are you counting up or counting down to the thread closure?

  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,680 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 21, 2021 2:36PM

    @Mgarmy said:
    Good book out there called the death of expertise. If you have the down time and or the interest it is a good read and it is relevant to this thread. For example, I would not question what Mr. Feld thinks about a coin I post because he has both the education and years of experience to provide an extremely solid position on the hypothetical question posed. Likewise if somebody like Dr. Fauci or several MD forum members say “hey probably good idea to do x,” going to follow that advice as well. Stay safe

    I'm sure that Mr. Feld views anything he says as opinion or advice and that he is not mandating any action be taken concerning your coin.

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  • SwampboySwampboy Posts: 13,112 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @relicsncoins said:
    10 years into the future, a commercial on TV. "If you or a loved one suffered from _____________ after receiving the Covid19 vaccine, you may be entitled to compensation"

    Now that you mention it, I've always said if I get polio I'm lawyering up!

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,778 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Mgarmy said:
    Not steering it anyway. I have already stated that Darwin will sort this out and hopefully sooner rather than later. People are entitled to whatever opinion they can muster, but there is no such thing as alt facts. Will dig this thread up in a year and see what was fact and what was fiction. Good luck

    There may not be "alt facts" but not every fact is well-established. And there is a lot of ways "facts" can be constructed to tell different stories.

    For example it is both true that blacks are at higher risk of being shot by police and it is also untrue that blacks are at higher risk of being shot by police. As a percentage of the population, they are at a higher risk. As a percentage of police contacts, they are not at a higher risk.

    And, frankly, in the case of both Covid and the vaccine there are a lot of "facts" that have not yet been firmly established. [Not that that excuses some of the more extreme positions taken in this thread.]

  • SwampboySwampboy Posts: 13,112 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @SeattleSlammer said:
    I’m a ‘Phase 1A’ worker and still haven’t been able to get a shot ... keep scheduling and then one day prior get message that the supply is gone, so reschedule again .... repeat ..... 😆

    I hope you get it in your line of work dude

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  • MgarmyMgarmy Posts: 2,296 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Derry- true re:Mr feld. However I would not want my mechanic who specializes in automobiles doing my colonscopy😁. Experience and education matter is all. Stay safe

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  • MgarmyMgarmy Posts: 2,296 ✭✭✭✭✭

    JM- no argument with that.

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  • MgarmyMgarmy Posts: 2,296 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 21, 2021 2:41PM

    @Swampboy said:

    @SeattleSlammer said:
    I’m a ‘Phase 1A’ worker and still haven’t been able to get a shot ... keep scheduling and then one day prior get message that the supply is gone, so reschedule again .... repeat ..... 😆

    I hope you get it in your line of work dude

    Me too! Stay safe swamp. Any chance you have the ability to get it in another state? Here in Va, 1a can get it in va, md or Dc for example.

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  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Mgarmy said:
    Good book out there called the death of expertise. If you have the down time and or the interest it is a good read and it is relevant to this thread. For example, I would not question what Mr. Feld thinks about a coin I post because he has both the education and years of experience to provide an extremely solid position on the hypothetical question posed. Likewise if somebody like Dr. Fauci or several MD forum members say “hey probably good idea to do x,” going to follow that advice as well. Stay safe

    Is an excellent book and relevant to the discussion of coins. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but certainly some opinions are more valuable than others. If either John Agre or Doug Winter told me they thought a coin was original, it carries more weight than if “insertrandomforummembername” told me the same. Experts are not correct 100% of the time, and neophytes not necessarily wrong, but for my money, I have and will continue to weigh expert opinion over random/unvetted/misinformed, be it with respect to coins, viruses, art history, cooking, travel, car maintenance, desk chair shopping, or whatever I happen to be deliberating at the moment.

  • blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 6,603 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @derryb said:

    @Mgarmy said:
    Everything is a conspiracy...SMH

    . . . or blind faith. I think of myself as someone who makes personal decisions such as a vaccine on what I know, not on what people who I don't trust tell me. Blind faith leads lemmings over the cliff. Mistrust is not wrapped in tin foil; it is learned behavior.

    The FACT that the makers of vaccines (that will create record profits) are immune from liability should serve as your first red flag. But then again, blind faith prevents one from seeing red flags.

    I will continue to wear a mask to coin shows and into coin shops until it gets to the point that official papers are required to enter.

    There was a time not so long ago you were calling the mask a hoax. Glad to see you finally started wearing one. You sound a lot like my uncle, god rest his soul. One of the 500K US casualties of this terrible pandemic. Stay safe!

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  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,680 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 21, 2021 6:53PM

    @Swampboy said:

    @relicsncoins said:
    10 years into the future, a commercial on TV. "If you or a loved one suffered from _____________ after receiving the Covid19 vaccine, you may be entitled to compensation"

    Now that you mention it, I've always said if I get polio I'm lawyering up!

    In the United States, the Public Readiness and Emergency Preparedness Act provides manufacturers immunity from lawsuits related to injuries caused by vaccines.

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  • MgarmyMgarmy Posts: 2,296 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Blitz- sorry about your uncle man.

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  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,680 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 21, 2021 6:53PM

    @blitzdude said:

    There was a time not so long ago you were calling the mask a hoax. Glad to see you finally started wearing one. You sound a lot like my uncle, god rest his soul. One of the 500K US casualties of this terrible pandemic. Stay safe!

    Incorrect. There was a time when I said that I did not agree with wearing a mask. Government mandates have changed that.

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  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,680 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 21, 2021 5:12PM

    @Mgarmy said:
    Experience and education matter is all.

    Unfortunately it is not required of the people who will eventually decide if either of us can walk into a coin shop or a coin show without having received a vaccine.

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  • MgarmyMgarmy Posts: 2,296 ✭✭✭✭✭

    :(

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  • bigjpstbigjpst Posts: 3,182 ✭✭✭✭✭

    There should b > @RYK said:

    All of those who do not believe in science can stay home and buy coins from eBay and dealer websites while the rest of us will get back to normal.

    Thank you for the work you do on the front lines.

    I believe in science, but like many or most people, this is not the issue. It has become some kind of purity test.
    Science tells me that people who eat red meat are more likely to have high cholesterol and in turn more likely to have heart disease. I had beef stew for lunch.
    Science tells me that eating sugary foods and being overweight can lead to diabetes and other health risk factors. I'm in fair shape, but I eat sugar.
    Science tells us that smoking cigarettes can cause lung cancer. It's even on every box, yet everyday millions of people smoke cigarettes. Now in some places they are in front of the line for vaccines because they are at higher risk. Due to a choice that they make daily that negatively affects them and others.

    Life is about weighing the risks all around us. Sure Covid may be different. But millions more people have gotten sick and recovered than those that have died. People will weigh the risk to them when they decide whether or not to get the vaccine. Risk of side effects vs not being able to get on a plane etc. But there are many many other things that we do that affect other people negatively. Even put other peoples lives at risk. Now with Covid, if you choose not to get a vaccine or wear a mask you are some kind of crazy science denier. The internet has become a place to try and shame others into submission.
    "I follow the science" is a ridiculous statement meant to make people feel good about themselves, make others look silly or shame them into submission.
    It should be "I follow the science (when it lines up with my current belief on this particular subject"

    PS. Let me take some wind out of the sails of those forum grammar police. I have no idea if I using affect or effect was correct, but don't really care either. Flame on.

  • blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 6,603 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 21, 2021 4:44PM

    Semper Fi Dr. RYK. Thank you for your service! May you have many more healthy years of coin collecting ahead of you.

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