Burnished 2009 P Sacagawea or not?

Kurisu

This is from my box of circulated Loomis rolls small dollars search...

It's FAR more reflective that any other Sacagawea I've seen, straight up chrome like but definitely not polished.
Amazing sheen even compared to my slabbed proofs!
The reverse is also quite brilliant but not compared to the obverse.

I find nothing about a 2009 P Native American burnished variety.
Just a lucky amazing strike here?

A couple of angles...

privatecoin

Burnished or as they call it satin finish were sold in mint sets 2005 - 2010. But yours looks like a business strike.

JBK

Business strike Sacs come in a wide variety of finishes.

Kliao

Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought burnished coins had a matte finish to them.

Kurisu

@Kliao said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought burnished coins had a matte finish to them.

I thought that the satin finished was well, satiny smooth and NOT chrome like.
I thought that burnished is an incredibly high sheen with pre-shined up planchets and IS chrome like.
Experts?!
Teachable moment here

MsMorrisine

burnished are not polished dies. they'd be satiny or matte

Kurisu

@MsMorrisine said:
burnished are not polished dies. they'd be satiny or matte

So I got it backwards... Is satin finish in fact the exact same as burnished?

And what's the chrome like surface varieties with the pre-polished up planchet treatment called?

Nice to be learning something I've been stating incorrectly!!!

MsMorrisine

@Kurisu said:
Is satin finish in fact the exact same as burnished?

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i'd say satin finish is smoother.

And what's the chrome like surface varieties with the pre-polished up planchet treatment called?

mirror fields with frosting is proof they have special planchets.

dmpl and pl do not use specially prepare planchets.

https://www.pcgs.com/news/differences-between-proof-and-prooflike-coins

Kurisu

@MsMorrisine said:

@Kurisu said:
Is satin finish in fact the exact same as burnished?

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i'd say satin finish is smoother.

And what's the chrome like surface varieties with the pre-polished up planchet treatment called?

mirror fields with frosting is proof they have special planchets.

I'm not sure if dmpl or pl use specially prepare planchets.

Thank you! Ever have a moment as a full grown adult that makes you feel straight up crazy? Lol!!!

I'd like to get a definitive answer on this...

I was under the impression and from visual observations that the satin finish is indeed more like the smooth cameo surface that is against a mirrored background on a proof and is in fact the type of surface that is not a highly reflective chrome-like finish. Just like satin itself.

The word "burnished" literally means 'highly polished'...so I was under the impression that burnished is in fact chrome like.

MsMorrisine

(see edited post above)

burnished is the opposite of proof or proof like. the field and devices are matte.

satin is a smoothly flat, not shiny surface all over.

MsMorrisine

this is a satin finish proof. not typical of modern proofs with mirrored fields and frosted devices
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MsMorrisine

matte proof

MsMorrisine

burnished gold eagle

bullion gold eagle

MsMorrisine

satin finish

MsMorrisine

regular strike same year

MsMorrisine

I need Mark Feld in here to correct my terms. but there are the pictures.

JBK

I must respectfully disagree.

Whether it is burnished dies, planchets, and coins might be causing the confusion.

The Glenna Goodacre dollars were burnished coins - polished after they were struck. Definitely shiny.

Same goes for the Sac in the Millennium set if I recall correctly.

As for burnished dies or planchets - I'll defer to whatever someone knows about them.

MsMorrisine

https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/2000-p-sac-1-goodacre-presentation/99584

JBK

I pulled the definitions for ease of reference....

Per PCGS:

Goodacre dollars:
Approximately five years later, it was discovered that the coins that were paid to Glenna Goodacre were struck on specially prepared planchets and by specially produced dies. As a result, the Goodacre Presentation coins displayed a different appearance that was fairly transparent. The coins struck off these dies have a burnished satin like appearance and most notable, is the fact that the coins tend to be of much higher quality than most regular circulation strike Sacagawea Dollars from the same date and mint mark.

2000-D SAC$1 Millennium Set (Regular Strike)
_Most 2000-D Sacagawea Dollars that originated from the Millenium Coin & Currency Set had a special burnished finish.
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Looking at the photos on PCGS, they both look pretty shiny to me. Also, whereas the Goodacre dollars are said to have been struck from burnished dies and planchets, the 2000D coins are said to be burnished (as I recall, the struck coins were burnished).

"Burnished" is defined as "polished". Satin is a bit tougher to define, as different contexts seemingly have different definitions (such as paint). Satin is smooth, but not necessarily matte.

Not sure this resolves the questions.

Kurisu

@JBK said:
I pulled the definitions for ease of reference....

Per PCGS:

Goodacre dollars:
Approximately five years later, it was discovered that the coins that were paid to Glenna Goodacre were struck on specially prepared planchets and by specially produced dies. As a result, the Goodacre Presentation coins displayed a different appearance that was fairly transparent. The coins struck off these dies have a burnished satin like appearance and most notable, is the fact that the coins tend to be of much higher quality than most regular circulation strike Sacagawea Dollars from the same date and mint mark.

2000-D SAC$1 Millennium Set (Regular Strike)
_Most 2000-D Sacagawea Dollars that originated from the Millenium Coin & Currency Set had a special burnished finish.
_

Looking at the photos on PCGS, they both look pretty shiny to me. Also, whereas the Goodacre dollars are said to have been struck from burnished dies and planchets, the 2000D coins are said to be burnished (as I recall, the struck coins were burnished).

"Burnished" is defined as "polished". Satin is a bit tougher to define, as different contexts seemingly have different definitions (such as paint). Satin is smooth, but not necessarily matte.

Not sure this resolves the questions.

I think we're getting closer, thanks... Yeah I saw all those descriptions already too... and in this same search I found what appears to be one of the 2000 D's from the Millennium Set although extremely circulated but it's clearly still mirror-like...it's in my other thread with all the results from this search of 1000 small dollars. https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1051873/the-results-just-added-stop-what-youre-doing-and-think-about-mules-for-a-moment#latest

I'm thinking that the description of the Glenna coins on smalldollars.com is likely the most accurate where they are described as proof-like but even better...which to me means, not satin like and more burnished-like lol!