What is the Sunset Collection?
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I'm amazed that this set being offered by Great Collections seems to keep going and going. Searching the prices realizes archive shows over 7,000 coins sold so far, over 5,000 of which are between MS66 and MS67+. Mostly common 20th century coins but in very high grade, with clearly a lot of duplicates.
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Funny, I was asking myself the same question the other day. I've bid on a ton of those coins, but don't think I've ever won one. They usually bring strong money.
I call mine the after sunset collection but only becuz it looks way better in the dark.
Yes, I've also taken notice.
The Sunset Collection is VAST and seems endless.
It also features mostly high-grade, original coins.
I've bid on several but have only won a couple.
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My Full Walker Registry Set (1916-1947):
https://www.ngccoin.com/registry/competitive-sets/16292/
Someone put together a high quality, modern set.... looks like they had access to the mint with that many. Cheers, RickO
Not to seem conspiratorial, but couldn't the "Sunset collection" be a label tossed on the coins by a coin dealer (or GC itself) as a way of creating a "name" collection?
Most of them are a “name it yourself” collection.
Guess I'd call mine the Redneck Collection....
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I dont know to answer the OP's question, but I have won a few and they usually have nice images too!
Interesting... dealers dumping their gems into a fictitious hoard?
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Well GC is only on ‘Part 137’ of it today .... so it’s not that big. 😆
I've given it some thought over time. But not too much.
Apparently the sun never sets on that collection...
This one is from the Sunset collection from GC. Hand engraved AW
It certainly could be. That's something I was wondering too. But the collection (or is it a hoard?) of 5000+ MS66-67 coins seems very focused, albeit only by grade, for random dealer castoffs.
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The Sunset Collection is indeed from a real person. He/she has been a client of Gerry Fortin’s since 2014, and Gerry is holding an auction of toned Mint State Seated Halves consigned by the Sunset Collection. That auction starts Feb 27 and ends March 6. Gerry discusses quite a bit about this in his blog posted this morning, Feb 14th. I think all of the photos and individual coin descriptions will be posted on Gerry’s site next Saturday, and there will be a zoom meeting about this shortly thereafter.
Gerry’s website is www.seateddimevarieties.com, and once there, on the left hand side is a black box to click to get to his blog.
My collecting “Pride & Joy” is my PCGS Registry Dansco 7070 Set:
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/type-sets/design-type-sets/complete-dansco-7070-modified-type-set-1796-date/publishedset/213996
https://www.seateddimevarieties.com/DailyBlog.htm
Also possible that there is more than one "Sunset Collection".
This reminds me of people who say "No offense....." and then proceeds to offend you.
It's definitely not owned by a dealer or GC or anyone related to GC.
The consignor, a collector with an amazing eye, appreciates toning, and in general, attractive coins.
He is not related to the Fortin's Sunset Collection - that is something completely different and from a different person. Unfortunately, they are using the same name, which is going to confuse and upset a lot of people.
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This Seated Collection (being offered by Fortin) is definitely unrelated to the Sunset Collection that GreatCollections has been offering for 5+ years. This is going to confuse and upset a lot of collectors.
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I really didn't mean to suggest anyone was doing anything wrong. It really wouldn't matter to me if it was a dealer label as it is not exactly the Eliasberg provenance.
There just seems to be a proliferation of no-name names (not at GC). I am handling an estate. The widow doesn't want his name on them. But what stops me from calling them the Tequila Sunrise collection to give them an aura of provenance.
If the owners of the Sunset collection are anonymous and not known numismatists, it is essentially a marketing gimmick isn't it?
Many collectors like to remain anonymous for a variety of reasons. While some do not mind others knowing they have valuable coins, many do - and we are always respect the confidentiality of our buyers and sellers. I think that's one of the reasons serious collectors deal with our firm.
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Good to know. How many coins are there?
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My 2¢. I have been participating in Great Collections auctions from their beginning. They are top notch. I have never dealt with people more efficient or nicer. NEVER had any problems with them. So, put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Apart from years of buying duplicates, the collector still buys coins to better match his sets...finding one with slightly better toning or different toning to match others in his collection, so it's ongoing. It's going to come to an end at some point, but difficult to predict exactly when. We have about 200-300 more coins in-house that will list in the next few weeks. The consignor prefers to sell 50 coins at a time, which is why we're now up to part 137. Although we're over 6000 coins consigned now from the Sunset Collection, he is not even in top ten purely going by the # of coins consigned by a single collector. We have several well over 10,000 certified coins by a single collector consignor.
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I think that's one of the reasons serious collectors deal with our firm.
...and not jmlanzaf's. No offense.
Sorry, couldn't resist.
"Got a flaming heart, can't get my fill"
LOL.
No worry. I will be consigning the 3rd "Sunset Collection" to a major auction house shortly - anonymously, of course.
As soon as my paperwork goes through, my new name is John Albanese and I will be consigning my entire collection to GC as soon as the custom slabs are back from PCGS.
You can shoot the messenger, but this thread has proven that "Sunset Collection" refers to 2 different anonymous collections. And, quite simply, there is a proliferation of name collections out there.
Just in the last few months at Heritage, we have the following collections, not all of which are exactly numismatic household names:
The Dr. Charles Collection
The Don Bonser Collection
The Steve Studer Collection
The Cape Coral Collection
The Edward Formica Collection
The Donald Partrick Collection
The Isaac Rudman Collection
The Bacchus Collection
The Caranett Collection
The Maurice Storck Collection
At Stack's we have:
The Kings Norton Mint collection
The Karelian Collection
The Oro del Nuovo Mundo Collection
The Naples Bay Collection
The Larry Miller Collection
The Tampa Collection
The E Pluribus Unum Collection
The Larry Ness Collection
The E. Horatio Morgan Collection
The Big Sky Collection
So, go ahead, tell me how throwing names on collections isn't marketing.
It doesn't have to be a fictitious hoard. It's a real "collection". It's just not (necessarily) a private collection assembled by an expert numismatist of renown.
Ploy has connotations which I believe are inappropriate to simply identifying coins as having come from a certain consignor. Provenance is a form of marketing, but it's not deceptive and is actually useful to potential bidders who have similar taste to the consignor in toned coins. Those listings tagged with "Sunset Collection" also usually contain excellent ancillary photos, and it's nice to be made aware of such via the tag when searching or browsing GC listings.
I think the thought that this is somehow dirty, or a trick, or pulling the rug over someone's eyes because they __choose__to name their collection is silly. Some folks want their name associated with the coins they owned. You, as the buyer, can change that. Big Deal. If you think this is a ploy to try and gain higher prices, I doubt it. Can it have an ancillary effect of raising prices for a particular collection in the auction? Perhaps, but definitely not guaranteed. I would think more that this is a great way to easily search and catalog coins from a specific cosigner, whether in 3 parts or in 300. And you, as the buyer, if you like what you see, why not enjoy that as a search tool?
I have been part of multiple named sale collections. Never once was it "designed" to try and raise prices and "pull a fast one."
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That's pretty amazing. I wouldn't be surprised at all to hear of a 10,000 piece raw collection (couple bags of wheat cents anyone?) but 10,000 certified coins is a monster. It's awesome there is a venue to efficiently recycle this material into the marketplace. I'm pretty sure if 10,000 certified coins were brought to the average dealer the widow would end up getting screwed.
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WOWEE that’s alot of slabbed coins for a single collection!
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
It would appear that sometimes, "marketing" has a negative connotation on the forum here and sometimes not. Coin collecting can be so confusing.
I didn't say it was dirty. In fact, I said just the opposite.
It partly depends on WHO points it out.
Use whatever term you want. Or let's just drop "ploy" and call it "marketing".
And partly, on who's doing the promoting. At least, that's the way it looks from here.
I've never been at the cool kids table. I bet the Raman noodles taste like manna...
OK, sure. So what?
So, nothing. As I've said, I don't have an issue with it.
Whether the term ploy or marketing is used, I agree with @jmlanzaf that a consignor assigns a “name” of some sort to the coins assigned for the MAIN goal of either ego (I agree it feels good), and/or to potentially generate extra bid dollars. Even though I’ve read in other threads on this forum that many of you will not bid anything extra for holders with the D.L. Hansen label (and some collectors will definitely avoid them), I find myself willing to bid an extra increment for those that I would be bidding on anyway. As such, I believe some collectors might be psychologically influenced in a positive manner if the coin they are bidding on is from a named “collection”, even if not on the label, and that is what some of this is all about - marketing, ploy, or whatever, to potentially get slightly higher bids.
My collecting “Pride & Joy” is my PCGS Registry Dansco 7070 Set:
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/type-sets/design-type-sets/complete-dansco-7070-modified-type-set-1796-date/publishedset/213996
I need a unique name for my collection. Is "The 15 Minutes Past Nautical Twilight Collection" taken? Much more special than "Sunset".
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There is someone referred to as "Prominent Eastern Collector" accumulating very high end saints.
They're generally never seen again.
I was thinking about calling myself "Prominent Appalachian Collector" but didn't think I was distinguished enough.
My Saint Set
I'm clearly "Not so prominent Upstate NY Collector"
Actually, "Nautical Twilight Collection" has a very nice ring to it.
This collection reminds me of the 'grandpa's estate' type collections that was seen on eBay years ago. Proceeds from sales buys more and it never seems to end.
I am not sure where the new purchases come from though - a circuit of retail stores?
I’m amazed at collection that vast , and yet others are even larger ! Kind of boggles the mind . Though I do get it. If I had another zero or two behind my current net worth I’d be doing it too. To be able to see a collection like that in person would be pretty amazing . A bucket list item for me . 1.5 hours in a collectors man cave talking all things coins and looking at so many beautiful specimens . Wow
My little collection is The Vincent Savage Collection 🤓
This one came from a GC Sunset Collection sale!
Sometimes, it’s better to be LUCKY than good. 🍀 🍺👍
My Full Walker Registry Set (1916-1947):
https://www.ngccoin.com/registry/competitive-sets/16292/