1869/69 IHC vs 1869/9 IHC

MASSU2

I'm having a hard time finding clarification on this. Are the 1869/69 IHC and 1869/9 IHC one in the same or different coins?

ricko

There are several RPD's for the 1869 IHC... three listed in the CPG. Looks like they would be the same coin, just varying degrees of the re-punched detail. Cheers, RickO

jedm

This is a great question!
According to the "Official Red Book Flying Eagle and Indian Head Cents" by Richard Snow -_ __The so called 1869/9 issue was believed to be an overdate in the 1950s and '60s ...it was added to coin albums and reported in price guides; however, this changed in 1970 when researchers at the ANA reported that the overdate was actually only a repunched date, 1869/9. The makers of coin albums have since relabeled their products with 1869/9.
Collectors still search for an example of this coin, and fill the void with the Snow-3 variety, which has a bold 69/69 repunching. S-3 is common enough in high grades of mint state to satisfy collector demand, but it is very difficult to find in circulated grades, especially in extremely fin or about uncirculated.
There are 15 other repunched date varieties known for this date, some of which show doubling on the 9 only. ___

So it seems that most of us IHC collectors settle for the S-3 which is a 69/69 to fill our desire to complete our sets. The one that I have is an NGC example and it's labeled as 69/69 FS-301. I hope this helps. Have fun!
Edited to add: I took mine out to look at it and I can only see the doubling on the 9 - interesting.

oih82w8

There are a handful of varieties for 1869;

http://indiancentvarieties.com/1869_varieties.html

Crypto

it should be noted that they used to be called 1869/8 as well

lusterlover

Big fan of this one. Here's mine MS64BN S-3(e).

ThePennyLady

Yes, years ago it was thought to be an 1869/8 but that was debunked about 10+ years ago. The S-3 1869/69 is the most popular, however, the S-4 is the exact same overdate variety but the date is slightly more to the left under the bust. So if you want to include this variety in your Indian cent set, either of these overdates would qualify.

ernie11

@Crypto said:
it should be noted that they used to be called 1869/8 as well

Yep. I bought one from a dealer back in the early 1980's, had it authenticated / graded by ANACS, and it came back 1869/9. I mistakenly thought that this was a separate variety from the 1869/8, so I returned it to the dealer for my money back.