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craig44craig44 Posts: 11,206 ✭✭✭✭✭

took a quick look at the Chiefs free agent/salary cap situation heading into next season. looks like they have 24 free agents and are about 21 million over the cap. those numbers do not include signing picks in the upcoming draft.

It looks like the Chiefs will have some turnover for next season. of course, many things can change between now and then, but I don't forecast any impact free agents heading to KC.

The big salary cap hit will come in 2023 when Mahomes new contract really hits the books with a 42 million hit. I think KC really needs to make hay in the next 2 seasons if they want this to turn into a dynasty as that big contract will really hold them back in 2 years.

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  • stevekstevek Posts: 28,885 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The bottom line with 32 teams in the league, all things being equal, the odds say your team will only win a Super Bowl once every 32 years.

    Which makes the Belichick/Brady dynasty all the more remarkable, especially in the salary cap era.

  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,770 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @craig44 said:
    took a quick look at the Chiefs free agent/salary cap situation heading into next season. looks like they have 24 free agents and are about 21 million over the cap. those numbers do not include signing picks in the upcoming draft.

    It looks like the Chiefs will have some turnover for next season. of course, many things can change between now and then, but I don't forecast any impact free agents heading to KC.

    The big salary cap hit will come in 2023 when Mahomes new contract really hits the books with a 42 million hit. I think KC really needs to make hay in the next 2 seasons if they want this to turn into a dynasty as that big contract will really hold them back in 2 years.

    Similar to the Vikings situation (except Vikes couldn't even get to SB) after spending all that money getting Cousins. Soon there was not enough cash to go around and 4 defensive starters left for more money.

    @stevek said:

    Which makes the Belichick/Brady dynasty all the more remarkable, especially in the salary cap era.

    Agree completely! The Patriots were able to find and develop replacements while still keeping Brady!

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  • craig44craig44 Posts: 11,206 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Brady usually accepted team friendly contracts as well for the betterment of the team.

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  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @craig44 said:
    Brady usually accepted team friendly contracts as well for the betterment of the team.

    You can afford to do that when your wife makes more then you do ; )

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  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,770 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @craig44 said:
    Brady usually accepted team friendly contracts as well for the betterment of the team.

    I had heard that, shows a lot of smarts. I wonder if it was in his contract that the money he gave up had to be spent on the O-Line? LOL

    I do remember Brady "losing" a game or two during his career. Usually it was because he was "under duress".

    Patriots (and now Bucs) won with a big turnover in players. If you can find good players that's great, and if you don't keep them long, you don't have to give them huge raises because they have been on the team, and played well for several years.

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  • DarinDarin Posts: 6,985 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A little too early to say whether the Chiefs will have a dynasty or not over the upcoming years.
    The Patriots did lose 3 Super Bowls during their dynasty so I wouldn't rule it out just yet.
    The Chiefs should definitely be the favorites to win the AFC again next year and I think
    they will really be hungry to go back to the SB and get this sour taste out of their mouths.

  • DrBusterDrBuster Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭✭✭

    BREAKING NEWS: late last night after the officials left the field, KC mailed in 4 TDs, Chiefs declared the winners of SB LV.

    Dynasty begins....

  • craig44craig44 Posts: 11,206 ✭✭✭✭✭

    it is possible for KC to come back and assert themselves a dynasty, but it is exceedingly difficult. with free agency, salary cap, and injuries, it is just so hard to keep a team together. I remember 8 or 9 years ago, Russel Wilson and the Seahawks were going to be the next dynasty. It just never materialized.

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  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,549 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DrBuster said:
    BREAKING NEWS: late last night after the officials left the field, KC mailed in 4 TDs, Chiefs declared the winners of SB LV.

    Dynasty begins....

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  • HydrantHydrant Posts: 7,773 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't think so. Mahomes is beyond great when he is on his game......but, he's a runner and the hits and injuries will take their toll on him long before any Dynasty happens. Just the way it is.

  • thisistheshowthisistheshow Posts: 9,386 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Hydrant said:
    I don't think so. Mahomes is beyond great when he is on his game......but, he's a runner and the hits and injuries will take their toll on him long before any Dynasty happens. Just the way it is.

    Remember , this is coming from me, thisistheshow, but I would not bet against Mahomes finding a way. While obviously mobile, he is a very astute pocket passer. It would not shock me at all if last night's game was seen as an aberration on Mahomes' eventual resume. Only time will tell. So yes, a dynasty is still well in play in my opinion, but his goat chase just got a lot more difficult.

  • HydrantHydrant Posts: 7,773 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Good analysis, thisistheshow. Makes sense.

  • bronco2078bronco2078 Posts: 10,201 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Mahomes was getting creamed last night in the 4th . He may need some r & r

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,949 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bronco2078 said:
    Mahomes was getting creamed last night in the 4th . He may need some r & r

    He's also got a bad toe that he will have to get fixed in the off season.

    Mahomes is great, but he can't do it alone. Last night he got rushed and run all over the field in the fourth quarter. Even the bast quarterback can't do much when he's lying on his back or belly, although Mahomes almost completed a pass when he was way to the turf. Dynasties are tricky things in the modern world of free agency and normal wear and tear on great players.

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  • BrickBrick Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wait about ten years then look at his body of work. Seems silly to me to proclaim someone in their mid 20s is on pace to replace Brady (oops, Graham) as GOAT. It seems every year or two their is a new candidate to become GOAT.

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  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 8,987 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Brick said:
    Wait about ten years then look at his body of work. Seems silly to me to proclaim someone in their mid 20s is on pace to replace Brady (oops, Graham) as GOAT. It seems every year or two their is a new candidate to become GOAT.

    Same thing happens in golf. There is always the talk so and so is the next Tiger Woods, after a golfer wins 1 or 2 majors.

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  • spacehaydukespacehayduke Posts: 5,715 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The Texans are $40 million over the cap, LOL. So being over with alot of free agents is not only for the great teams like KC but even the worst teams. Looks like alot of overpaying going on in the NFL. If KC can keep their core producers, they should be okay for a couple years at least and probably the team to beat going in each season. But watch out folks, you heard it here first - next up is going to be Herbert and the Chargers..........

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  • bronco2078bronco2078 Posts: 10,201 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Rumor has it tampa is 30 under the cap :o

  • craig44craig44 Posts: 11,206 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I was listening to a KC podcast and the hosts are not happy with the receiving corps. other than Kelce and Hill. They are real down on Hardman. said he wont run good routes and has become a gadget player.

    they probably need to start investing some draft capital into WR. Kelce is going to be 32 next year and I expect to see some regression in the next few seasons there. Along with the O line there is some work to be done.

    this is why what NE did was so impressive. It is so difficult to keep a championship roster together. they did if for almost 20 years.

    George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.

  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,770 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bronco2078 said:
    Rumor has it tampa is 30 under the cap :o

    Brady is their cap analyst. He does it all.

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  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,770 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @craig44 said:
    I was listening to a KC podcast and the hosts are not happy with the receiving corps. other than Kelce and Hill. They are real down on Hardman. said he wont run good routes and has become a gadget player.

    they probably need to start investing some draft capital into WR. Kelce is going to be 32 next year and I expect to see some regression in the next few seasons there. Along with the O line there is some work to be done.

    this is why what NE did was so impressive. It is so difficult to keep a championship roster together. they did if for almost 20 years.

    Brady was their cap analyst. He does it all.

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  • 2dueces2dueces Posts: 6,434 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Brady took team friendly contracts. Mahomes gets $50M a year for 10 years. What do you do with that to make it team friendly? Stretch it out for 15 years? Maybe a Bobby Bonita contract? A million a year until he 80? Just saying

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  • bronco2078bronco2078 Posts: 10,201 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Tampa is as close to a dynasty as kc is .

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  • craig44craig44 Posts: 11,206 ✭✭✭✭✭

    ^^^actually, you are correct. I hadnt even thought of that.

    George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.

  • DarinDarin Posts: 6,985 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @2dueces said:
    Brady took team friendly contracts. Mahomes gets $50M a year for 10 years. What do you do with that to make it team friendly? Stretch it out for 15 years? Maybe a Bobby Bonita contract? A million a year until he 80? Just saying

    Mahomes gets 25 million this year and 31 million next year. Then it starts going up quite a bit.

  • DarinDarin Posts: 6,985 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @craig44 said:
    I was listening to a KC podcast and the hosts are not happy with the receiving corps. other than Kelce and Hill. They are real down on Hardman. said he wont run good routes and has become a gadget player.

    they probably need to start investing some draft capital into WR. Kelce is going to be 32 next year and I expect to see some regression in the next few seasons there. Along with the O line there is some work to be done.

    this is why what NE did was so impressive. It is so difficult to keep a championship roster together. they did if for almost 20 years.

    Didn't NE go 9 years in there without winning a Super Bowl?
    So it wasn't really a 20 year dynasty was it?
    After all, you and Bronco aren't giving the Chiefs any credit for this loss accruing towards a possible dynasty.
    They're tied with Tampa 1 to 1.
    So, by the same token we're not going to allow you to count 2005-2013 as part of any NE dynasty.
    sorry those losses don't count as part of any dynasty only the wins.

  • DarinDarin Posts: 6,985 ✭✭✭✭✭

    And checkmate

  • thisistheshowthisistheshow Posts: 9,386 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Darin said:

    @craig44 said:
    I was listening to a KC podcast and the hosts are not happy with the receiving corps. other than Kelce and Hill. They are real down on Hardman. said he wont run good routes and has become a gadget player.

    they probably need to start investing some draft capital into WR. Kelce is going to be 32 next year and I expect to see some regression in the next few seasons there. Along with the O line there is some work to be done.

    this is why what NE did was so impressive. It is so difficult to keep a championship roster together. they did if for almost 20 years.

    Didn't NE go 9 years in there without winning a Super Bowl?
    So it wasn't really a 20 year dynasty was it?
    After all, you and Bronco aren't giving the Chiefs any credit for this loss accruing towards a possible dynasty.
    They're tied with Tampa 1 to 1.
    So, by the same token we're not going to allow you to count 2005-2013 as part of any NE dynasty.
    sorry those losses don't count as part of any dynasty only the wins.

    I look at the Patriots dynasty from a 2021 macro view. And I see, as do others, one giant dynasty....or two dynasties..... or perhaps a double dynasty.....etc..

    When I look at these Chiefs, I cannot see them from the future. But they have done enough that the view is no longer too micro to start thinking about what might be shaping up. I don't agree that the Chiefs and the Bucs are both tied now in terms of their respective dynasty pursuits just because they each won a Sb in the last two years. The Chiefs dynasty, if it is to become one, will also be different than the Patriots. They have started with divisional dominance, then continued that dominance with a different QB, then won a SB with that QB (who happens to be the QB considered by many to be the most skilled ever), went to two SBs in a row, but lost the second one. The rest is unwritten.

  • craig44craig44 Posts: 11,206 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Darin, you are correct in that if the Bucs make it to the next 2 NFCCG and lose one SB they will be on equal footing with KC as far as dynasty goes. you do need to include SB and AFCCG losses into the equation as that is progressing far into the playoffs. I don't know that there is a definition of dynasty though.

    most consider the main dynastys in NFL history to be the 70s steelers, 80s 49ers, 90s cowboys, 00s patriots, 10s patriots. the main criteria seems to be at least 3 SB wins in a decade. KC and TB both have a ways to go in that regard

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  • craig44craig44 Posts: 11,206 ✭✭✭✭✭

    in the same vein, I think NE is considered an 18 year dynasty instead of 2 separate dynasties is because of sustained excellence throughout. 2008 was lost with Brady, but otherwise, they were in 2 super bowls and numerous AFCCGs and won their division every year. that in between two 3 SB runs.

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  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,549 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Darin said:
    And checkmate

    There was a solid chunk of time that was a huge letdown. 2005-2013 were very frustrating but all in all 6-3 in 19 years is pretty tough to beat, good luck doing better than that with your Chiefs. They are 1-1 right now so we got a ways to go to find out.

  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,770 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Darin said:

    @2dueces said:
    Brady took team friendly contracts. Mahomes gets $50M a year for 10 years. What do you do with that to make it team friendly? Stretch it out for 15 years? Maybe a Bobby Bonita contract? A million a year until he 80? Just saying

    Mahomes gets 25 million this year and 31 million next year. Then it starts going up quite a bit.

    They better draft well.

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  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,549 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JoeBanzai said:

    @Darin said:

    @2dueces said:
    Brady took team friendly contracts. Mahomes gets $50M a year for 10 years. What do you do with that to make it team friendly? Stretch it out for 15 years? Maybe a Bobby Bonita contract? A million a year until he 80? Just saying

    Mahomes gets 25 million this year and 31 million next year. Then it starts going up quite a bit.

    They better draft well.

    That won’t be enough to save them lol

  • craig44craig44 Posts: 11,206 ✭✭✭✭✭

    they have 2021 and to a lesser degree 2022 to win with the current nucleus, then the big Mahomes cap hit will start and they will be in big trouble salary cap wise. a 40 plus million cap hit for one player is almost insurmountable. by that time kelce will be mid 30s and tyreek will be almost 30.

    George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.

  • craig44craig44 Posts: 11,206 ✭✭✭✭✭

    in addition, their OL situation is going to be not great next year either their best tackle tore his Achilles and wont be playing next season. after him, they were not great to begin with. they need to draft OL, secondary and WR. they will need to draft well as they will be picking 31st and have no cap room to sign any free agents of note.

    it will be an uphill battle for KC, but that is why dynasties are so rare. many thought Seattle would become one as well with a young QB and an all time great defense. it is just so difficult

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