CORRECTED By Set Registry - Sacawagea “Flag Frame” Dollar NOT “REQUIRED HOLDER” for a Registry Set
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Edit - See my updated comment just below this one.
While the very heavy emphasis in my collection are “Classic” coins, I just received notice from PCGS that my 21st Century Type Set, Proof, is no longer tied at #1, since they just added as a required coin a “Flag Frame” reverse Sacajawea Dollar coin. I’ve googled this with no success. I’ve looked at some with that characterization on eBay, but can’t figure out what to look for in the design so that I know the coin I’ll buy is indeed a “Flag Frame” reverse. Please clarify. Any advice on buying one graded PR70DCAM by PCGS?
Thanks.
Steve
My collecting “Pride & Joy” is my PCGS Registry Dansco 7070 Set:
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/type-sets/design-type-sets/complete-dansco-7070-modified-type-set-1796-date/publishedset/213996
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winesteven
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As I indicated over the weekend in a post lower down in this thread, I sent an email to Set Registry, and they replied VERY quickly that just as I speculated, this was indeed an error on their part. The set definition is being corrected, and should be fixed in about an hour or so.
So now I'll return the coin I bought yesterday to the seller, but in fairness to him/her, I'll eat postage both ways along with the 3% PayPal fee the seller incurred.
Steve
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My collecting “Pride & Joy” is my PCGS Registry Dansco 7070 Set:
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/type-sets/design-type-sets/complete-dansco-7070-modified-type-set-1796-date/publishedset/2139961
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dunno. google "flag frame" and coin facts yields 3 hits that appear to be label varieties. perhaps a email to the registry people will solve the mystery.
I think I figured it out, but hope that I’m wrong. Apparently this is just ANY Sac Dollar that is in a holder that has the American flag as the background for the entire holder! WOW! So now our hosts are creating new slots based not on any difference in the coin, but ONLY a difference of the HOLDER?
If my guess is true, this is NOT good! I hope our host can chime in and explain that my understanding is incorrect.
My collecting “Pride & Joy” is my PCGS Registry Dansco 7070 Set:
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/type-sets/design-type-sets/complete-dansco-7070-modified-type-set-1796-date/publishedset/213996
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Based on the PCGS number ( 684210) it looks like it is specifically a 2000-S Sac Dollar in a holder that has the American flag as the background. It is certainly an odd item to add to the registry. Maybe the person in the first spot petitioned to have it added? Your best bet is to contact the registry people and see what is going on to know for certain.
https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/2000-s-sac-1-flag-picture-frame-dcam/684210/69
Here is the coin that is in the set of the person who is now number one.
https://www.pcgs.com/auctionprices/item/2000-s-sac-1-flag-picture-frame-dcam/684210/1281279728975463004
Say what?
While the slot at the moment for “What if” shows only the 2000-S, the “description” shows 2000 - present. I just ordered for $30 a 2003-S PR70DCAM with that Flag Frame holder. I suspect once I get it and enter the cert number, I’ll have to enter a request to have them do their thing for that to fill the slot.
But the bottom line sounds ominous - requiring new slots due only to a different holder design, even if that same identical coin is already in that set!
My collecting “Pride & Joy” is my PCGS Registry Dansco 7070 Set:
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/type-sets/design-type-sets/complete-dansco-7070-modified-type-set-1796-date/publishedset/213996
yeah, this is a terrible precedent to set
A bad move IMO.
Instead of adding that maybe they should just start a new set featuring all the different type holders from the first type gen 1.0 holder onward. They could put the flag holder,etc. In there also.
Jim
What a weird decision to note that background as more important than the coin. Go figure. Peace Roy
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That is total bs.
Wow... I would like to hear the rationale behind that inclusion. I understood registry sets to be for coins. Cheers, RickO
That has be a mistake. Whats next? Specific slab generations?
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Really, really, really bad move. The holder should never matter (even hyped things like First Strike).
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I'll email Cosetta on Mondy morning. since the PCGS description refers to this slot as a Sacagawea Flag Frame Reverse, my GUESS is that whoever asked for this slot to be created, somehow gave the impression that the Flag Frame was on the reverse of the coin. As part of my guess, once Cosetta is made aware of this, it will be corrected by removing that slot. When I get a reply, I'll update this thread.
My collecting “Pride & Joy” is my PCGS Registry Dansco 7070 Set:
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/type-sets/design-type-sets/complete-dansco-7070-modified-type-set-1796-date/publishedset/213996
But the bottom line sounds ominous - requiring new slots due only to a different holder design, even if that same identical coin is already in that set.
I wonder if there is any connection between this and the fervor of "slab collecting" which has infected the Hobby in the last 10-15 years?? PCGS has now commanded collectors to need this. I have a solution, arrived at perhaps 10-15 years ago --- abandon the Set Registry or just refuse to fill that mandated bogus slot. think about it: if this is a made up thing that's required and a collector follows lock-step just to be able to reach the highest possible spot then you aren't really collecting coins.
I see the PCGS population is only 30 pieces @ms70 so getting 1 maybe a little tough..
No. That pop is only for the only one so far posted for the 2000 - Present slot, which is a 2000-S. It appears that ANY year Sac with that Flag Frame holder will qualify, so the total pop of all the qualifying years is really what counts. The one i bought last night on eBay for $30 including shipping (2003-S) will count, once I get the coin and add that cert request.
I'm hoping though that when these details are brought to the attention of the Set Registry personnel, they will recognize an "error" and then hopefully remove this holder from causing a REQUIRED slot!
My collecting “Pride & Joy” is my PCGS Registry Dansco 7070 Set:
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/type-sets/design-type-sets/complete-dansco-7070-modified-type-set-1796-date/publishedset/213996
If ever the was a time to buy coins not holders it might be now
Not surprised, been expecting this to happen for some time. For those who never read the registry forum there have been a few collectors that have been calling for points to be added for labels like first strike and others.
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I can see their point but I think if PCGS chooses to do that, they should duplicate the current set definition and add those to a whole new set name. PCGS, like others, want to encourage people to have FDOI and FS holders so it makes sense they'll want to add points for them in the registry sets. However, I think it should be done as new sets rather than modifying existing set definitions for something that arbitrary.
Not a good decision What's next, requiring a coin in a first or second generation holder? We're supposed to be collecting coins, not plastic.
Amen!
Maybe a registry set of generation slabs with varying label inserts?
O I certainly get the incentive from the PCGS marketing standpoint, and as long as modern collectors are willing to go with it and spend whatever money it takes in order to maintain their #1 spot it has a great chance to happen sooner than later. Its things like this that make me happy I'm not a modern or registry collector.
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I still have no idea what a Flag Frame dollar is or looks like
Anyone got a pic?
((a better shot of the holder than the coin))
https://www.pcgs.com/auctionprices/item/2000-s-sac-1-flag-picture-frame-dcam/684210/1281279728975463004
most concerning is that if the type of sacagawea doesn't even matter, it truly is a plastic registry set; nothing to do with what's inside the plastic, for the most part
I'm hoping this is an error as having to participate in the registry based on holders really dilutes the hobby.
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fixed it!
I thought the main endeavor was to collect coins, not all this extraneous stuff. At any rate that's my passion. I would render an opinion on first strikes, CAC, registry sets and especially the "everyman" stuff, paying exorbitant prices for coins so worn they are difficult to identify, and ad nauseam but my sense of self preservation on this message board means I will keep my mouth shut. It's all cool.
Who would have believed this stuff 40 years ago?