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Type II gold MS60 and cac

logger7logger7 Posts: 7,768 ✭✭✭✭✭


This PCGS certified old holder and cac coin is blasting off on ebay tonight, why not cac gold sticker?

For a little reference on MS60:

A coin graded MS-60 will be unattractive, dull, or washed-out mint luster may mark this coin. There may be many large detracting contact marks or damage spots, but no trace of circulation wear. There could be a heavy concentration of hairlines or unattractive large areas of scuff marks. Rim nicks may be present, and eye appeal is very poor. Copper coins may be dark, dull, and spotted.

Contact Marks: May have heavy marks in all areas.
Hairlines: May have a noticeable patch or continuous hairlining overall.
Luster: Often impaired.
Eye Appeal: Poor.
Also Known As: Mint State 60, MS60, Uncirculated, UNC, BU, Brilliant Uncirculated, Beautiful Uncirculated

A coin graded MS-61 will have a mint luster that may be diminished or noticeably impaired, and the surface may have clusters of large and small contact marks throughout. Hairlines could be very noticeable. Scuff marks may show as unattractive patches on large areas or major features. Small rim nicks and striking or planchet defects may show, and the quality may be noticeably poor. Eye appeal is somewhat unattractive. Copper pieces will be generally dull, dark, and possibly spotted.

Contact Marks: May have a few heavy (or numerous light) marks in prime focal and/or secondary areas.
Hairlines: May have a noticeable patch or continuous hairlining over surfaces.
Luster: May be impaired.
Eye Appeal: Unattractive.
Also Known As: Mint State 61, MS61, Uncirculated, UNC, BU, Brilliant Uncirculated, Beautiful Uncirculated

Just interested to know what others think on this coin, do you see it as a high end 60, 61, or even 62?


  • ReadyFireAimReadyFireAim Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭✭✭

    OGH + CAC = hysteria

  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 9,915 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I see blurry out of focus pictures. I wouldn't conclude anything based on the images.

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 11,081 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cameonut2011 said:
    I see blurry out of focus pictures. I wouldn't conclude anything based on the images.

    Same here.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • skier07skier07 Posts: 3,535 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The coin looks undergraded to me based on the photos. JA is very tight with gold stickers and lots of people have upgraded coins with green stickers and retained the sticker. The coin is at 62 money right now. If I was looking to buy this particular date I would prefer buying one in a 62 sticker and preferably with a green sticker. I’m pretty sure not everyone would agree with me and some prefer the OGH/CAC combination.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The pictures are poor, so I will rely on the label and sticker for the grade. It likely achieved that price due to the slab and sticker. That is not how I buy coins. Cheers, RickO

  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 23,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The obverse of the coin looks terrible. The reverse is much better but can't save the coin's grade.. The coin is properly graded as MS60.

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  • SeattleSlammerSeattleSlammer Posts: 9,940 ✭✭✭✭✭

    From the not so great pics — looks 62-ish.

  • orevilleoreville Posts: 11,718 ✭✭✭✭✭

    How I miss my 1875-S $20 OGH in MS-67 with green CAC sticker!

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 44,841 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A green CAC sticker on any MS60 slabbed coin means CAC doesn't think it's worthy of an MS61 grade. Otherwise, it would have received a gold CAC sticker.

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  • stevebensteveben Posts: 4,583 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 7, 2021 11:41AM

    it looks under-graded to me, but hard to tell from the photos. my guess is that coin was net-graded due to a scratch (maybe the one between 5 and 6 o'clock?)

    i have personally had coins with green cac upgrade and green cac again.

  • logger7logger7 Posts: 7,768 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 7, 2021 4:04PM

    This is another 1875-s $20 PCGS certified coin graded MS62: https://coins.ha.com/itm/liberty-double-eagles/1875-s-20-ms62-pcgs/a/1204-6876.s?hdnJumpToLot=1&x=0&y=0

    In this case I had owned the coin but returned it for a refund as the buyer to the seller as he indicated in terms of the deal. I was never refunded and he sold it again. I posted on this fraud previously. I had showed it to Marcel Stern a reputable NYC dealer who called it a "nice" coin which I agreed with but for some reason I did not like it. It probably would have been sent to cac, any idea why it did not get the cac sticker?

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