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2019-D MS PL Dime???

KurisuKurisu Posts: 1,746 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited January 27, 2021 7:53AM in U.S. Coin Forum

Yes, it exists.
https://www.pcgs.com/auctionprices/item/2019-d-10c-pl/722798/669910310083494379
https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/2019-d-10c-pl/722798

Busy day coin roll hunting today and when this showed up it was dramatically more...well, just more lol!

In the comparison photo below... the top dime is the one in question and the bottom one is in fact also a totally brand new looking dime. But the exposure is for the possible proof-like one.

I had no idea that a 2019 MS PL even existed until this came out of the roll...it was so different I looked at the PCGS guide for clues and immediately noticed "PL" is only listed for the 2019 D.
Any of the experts here have some way to tell from the pretty ok phone pics?! Please and thank you!

Comparison photo...

The top dime from the comparison photo...

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Comments

  • coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 10,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would not call it PL from your photos, maybe in hand I would think differently.

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  • KurisuKurisu Posts: 1,746 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @coinbuf said:
    I would not call it PL from your photos, maybe in hand I would think differently.

    Well I know the condition is not there like the MS69 example I linked to...but yes, even in this condition it sure is incredible even compared to other 2019-D's that are even nicer, like in my comparison photo.

    Certainly not worth grading, but I would like to know if it needs to be in that super high grade MS to be considered PL.

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  • vplite99vplite99 Posts: 1,145 ✭✭✭✭

    I don't get it but I'm sure in hand it looks great.

    Vplite99
  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 30,381 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I see a run of the mill 64/65 dime. IDK

  • KurisuKurisu Posts: 1,746 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 26, 2021 6:52PM

    @vplite99 said:
    I don't get it but I'm sure in hand it looks great.

    @jmlanzaf The dime on the bottom in the comparison shot is a run of the mill 65ish...Maybe I just need to take some real photos in order to ask this question? My daylight was pretty much gone when I took the snapshots.
    Because based on my understanding any MS grade can receive a "PL" designation.

    I know this applies to both NGC and PCGS...
    When a circulation issue coin's fields exhibit a higher-than-normal degree of reflectivity, the coin is said to be “Prooflike” (or “PL”) because it is reminiscent of a Proof coin

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 30,381 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Kurisu said:

    @vplite99 said:
    I don't get it but I'm sure in hand it looks great.

    @jmlanzaf The dime on the bottom in the comparison shot is a run of the mill 65ish...Maybe I just need to take some real photos in order to ask this question? My daylight was pretty much gone when I took the snapshots.
    Because based on my understanding any MS grade can receive a "PL" designation.

    It clearly applies to both NGC and PCGS...
    When a circulation issue coin's fields exhibit a higher-than-normal degree of reflectivity, the coin is said to be “Prooflike” (or “PL”) because it is reminiscent of a Proof coin

    It doesn't look PL to me. But, again, I'm just looking at what might be poor photos.

  • KurisuKurisu Posts: 1,746 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:
    It doesn't look PL to me. But, again, I'm just looking at what might be poor photos.

    Thank you kindly!!!...I don't want to waste anyone's time...I'll get better shots tomorrow and post them here...I should know better...I blame my Covid brain-fogs. They are very real...
    but I honestly just should've waited to post this with better shots :-)

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    "If it's a penny for your thoughts and you put in your two cents worth, then someone...somewhere...is making a penny." - Steven Wright

  • SnapsSnaps Posts: 187 ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 26, 2021 7:36PM

    The devices need to be like that of a brilliant proof coin. I don't have any other pictures of the one I have. Just an obverse slab shot for inventory purposes. I only paid $16.50 for this coin on eBay that included shipping.

    I had to edit my post to include my coin doesn't have one of those stupid MAC stickers on it.

  • KurisuKurisu Posts: 1,746 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Snaps said:
    The devices need to be like that of a brilliant proof coin. I don't have any other pictures of the one I have. Just an obverse slab shot for inventory purposes. I only paid $16.50 for this coin on eBay that included shipping.
    I had to edit my post to include my coin doesn't have one of those stupid MAC stickers on it.

    Fantastic thanks! That's much more clear (and higher resolution) than the example PCGS linked to...
    and yes, I'm going with pretty darn brilliant devices on the one I found. I'll go for the better photos tomorrow.

    Coins are Neato!

    "If it's a penny for your thoughts and you put in your two cents worth, then someone...somewhere...is making a penny." - Steven Wright

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 30,381 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Kurisu said:

    @Snaps said:
    The devices need to be like that of a brilliant proof coin. I don't have any other pictures of the one I have. Just an obverse slab shot for inventory purposes. I only paid $16.50 for this coin on eBay that included shipping.
    I had to edit my post to include my coin doesn't have one of those stupid MAC stickers on it.

    Fantastic thanks! That's much more clear (and higher resolution) than the example PCGS linked to...
    and yes, I'm going with pretty darn brilliant devices on the one I found. I'll go for the better photos tomorrow.

    Does it really matter? If a 68 PL sells for $16.50, your 65 PL is worth $1.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I will wait for the new pictures, however, based on the previous pictures, I would say your coin would be good for an album collection.... and certainly not worth investing in a slab. Cheers, RickO

  • KurisuKurisu Posts: 1,746 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 27, 2021 7:11AM

    @jmlanzaf said:
    Does it really matter? If a 68 PL sells for $16.50, your 65 PL is worth $1.

    Because it's not always about the value :smile:

    Sometimes I want some sense of something or a bit of technical info...or to learn something.
    I was going through 1000's of dimes and when this came out it was distinctly different enough to immediately catch my attention...which caused me to then quickly learn that there is only a "PL" designation in the PCGS price guide for the 2019-D...which is what this is....so there :wink:

    I guess you could think of this as the kind of question that would be better asked in a group of collectors for an opinion.
    I am also about to go through some Morgans which is not something I do often so I'd like any information I can gather about PL.

    Sun is coming up...I'll get better shots shortly with it surrounded by other nicer MS dimes to see if I can illustrate why it caught my attention...

    Coins are Neato!

    "If it's a penny for your thoughts and you put in your two cents worth, then someone...somewhere...is making a penny." - Steven Wright

  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 23,728 ✭✭✭✭✭

    All I see are very ordinary modern dimes. No premium.

    All glory is fleeting.
  • KurisuKurisu Posts: 1,746 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @291fifth said:
    All I see are very ordinary modern dimes. No premium.

    Re-read my initial post about the comparison photo...

    Coins are Neato!

    "If it's a penny for your thoughts and you put in your two cents worth, then someone...somewhere...is making a penny." - Steven Wright

  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 23,728 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Kurisu said:

    @291fifth said:
    All I see are very ordinary modern dimes. No premium.

    Re-read my initial post about the comparison photo...

    I already have. The dimes you show are very ordinary for modern issue dimes. Modern dimes are often very bright when struck and there are lots and lots of them struck.

    All glory is fleeting.
  • KurisuKurisu Posts: 1,746 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 27, 2021 7:50AM

    @291fifth said:

    @Kurisu said:

    @291fifth said:
    All I see are very ordinary modern dimes. No premium.

    Re-read my initial post about the comparison photo...

    I already have. The dimes you show are very ordinary for modern issue dimes. Modern dimes are often very bright when struck and there are lots and lots of them struck.

    Ummmm...I'm not sure what you read, because I'm only talking about 1 of the dimes... having looked at many thousands of brand new dimes in the last few weeks I know what bright new dimes look like.

    They look like this!

    Coins are Neato!

    "If it's a penny for your thoughts and you put in your two cents worth, then someone...somewhere...is making a penny." - Steven Wright

  • ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 6,181 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Interesting. PL coins can be very difficult to capture in photos. I have an 87-D Lincoln that I think is PL but I haven't been willing to wager the $40 or so to see if PCGS agrees.

    Collector, occasional seller

  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 23,728 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's time to send it in and see if you can get PCGS to agree with your opinion because only the opinion of the major TPGs matters with such coins.

    All glory is fleeting.
  • JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,592 ✭✭✭✭✭

    :/

  • abcde12345abcde12345 Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Jimnight said:
    :/

    :o

  • ɹoʇɔǝlloɔɹoʇɔǝlloɔ Posts: 1,436 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @abcde12345 said:

    @Jimnight said:
    :/

    :o

    🥴

  • ShaunBC5ShaunBC5 Posts: 1,551 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think yours very well could be PL. Might not be worth slabbing, but certainly worth sticking in a 2x2 and enjoying. There may or may not be a high pop of these, time will tell, but you found one in the wild and that's pretty cool.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 30,381 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @291fifth said:
    It's time to send it in and see if you can get PCGS to agree with your opinion because only the opinion of the major TPGs matters with such coins.

    I sense that only the OP's opinion matters.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 30,381 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 27, 2021 9:19AM

    @abcde12345 said:

    @Jimnight said:
    :/

    :o

    .
    . >:)

  • KurisuKurisu Posts: 1,746 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 27, 2021 10:50AM

    @ChrisH821 said:
    Interesting. PL coins can be very difficult to capture in photos. I have an 87-D Lincoln that I think is PL but I haven't been willing to wager the $40 or so to see if PCGS agrees.

    Boy you weren't kidding! Not an easy thing to capture.
    I kept it simple, one light source from a large window and luckily direct sun (even though we woke up to 0° outside today!).
    So without spending my whole morning on it...

    Here it is in the center of some other nice new shiny dimes :smiley:
    Even compared to the nice 2020 just to the right and down a bit, it just has smoother mirrored fields.

    Reflections and color are from my phone and my hand holding it. It's on the green tray so I could make quick color match.
    The last image is lightened up just to try and show the difference more dramatically, I just noticed I missed the focus on that one but for these purposes it won't matter.
    ...Maybe these photos won't even matter lol! But at least I tried, during one whole coffee!

    Coins are Neato!

    "If it's a penny for your thoughts and you put in your two cents worth, then someone...somewhere...is making a penny." - Steven Wright

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