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scooter25scooter25 Posts: 769 ✭✭✭✭
edited January 24, 2021 3:05PM in U.S. Coin Forum

Our illustrious postal workers are at it again. I sent this coin to a fellow forum member in perfect condition . It arrived with the package ripped open, one coin actually out of its 2x2 holder and the other like this

I neglected to get the insurance, of course 🤦🏻‍♂️. Anyone else have these terrible experiences with USPS? Also, what the heck did they do to destroy a coin like that?!!?!

Definitely going to be getting the insurance from now on.

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  • Full insurance is always a must.

  • Panda4456Panda4456 Posts: 362 ✭✭✭

    Insurance doesn’t matter for usps. I insured a roll of silver quarters before and when they lost the package they only would refund the face value. I only got 10 dollars. If you insured that silver Eagle you can only get 1 dollar from them.

  • Early_Milled_Latin_America Early_Milled_Latin_America Posts: 6,437 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 24, 2021 3:23PM

    Get private insurance or go with FedEx or UPS.

  • scooter25scooter25 Posts: 769 ✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:
    How were the coins packaged?

    In a standard bubble mailer but that one was also in a plastic hard snap case

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 14,827 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @scooter25 said:

    @MFeld said:
    How were the coins packaged?

    In a standard bubble mailer but that one was also in a plastic hard snap case

    Thanks and sorry for that.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • HalfpenceHalfpence Posts: 462 ✭✭✭✭

    @KingOfMorganDollar said:
    Get private insurance or go with FedEx or UPS.

    Fedex and UPS won't insure bullion for the average customer. I've searched for private insurance, and could not find it for bullion. If you have a link, please post it. Registered mail is the only option I've found for Joe public.

  • HalfpenceHalfpence Posts: 462 ✭✭✭✭

    @Panda4456 said:
    Insurance doesn’t matter for usps. I insured a roll of silver quarters before and when they lost the package they only would refund the face value. I only got 10 dollars. If you insured that silver Eagle you can only get 1 dollar from them.

    Did you use registered mail?

  • scooter25scooter25 Posts: 769 ✭✭✭✭

    @Halfpence said:

    @Panda4456 said:
    Insurance doesn’t matter for usps. I insured a roll of silver quarters before and when they lost the package they only would refund the face value. I only got 10 dollars. If you insured that silver Eagle you can only get 1 dollar from them.

    Did you use registered mail?

    I’m not sure, I did have a tracking number though

  • HalfpenceHalfpence Posts: 462 ✭✭✭✭

    @scooter25 said:

    @Halfpence said:

    @Panda4456 said:
    Insurance doesn’t matter for usps. I insured a roll of silver quarters before and when they lost the package they only would refund the face value. I only got 10 dollars. If you insured that silver Eagle you can only get 1 dollar from them.

    Did you use registered mail?

    I’m not sure, I did have a tracking number though

    Got it. I'd bet that you didn't. Registered mail is very expensive; prohibitively so. You would have remembered the clerk ink stamping every inch of seam on that package. Non-registered mail insurance excludes bullion, but includes numismatic items. You probably would have needed to demonstrate the numismatic value to get more than the face value.

  • CoinJunkieCoinJunkie Posts: 8,772 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Halfpence said:

    @Panda4456 said:
    Insurance doesn’t matter for usps. I insured a roll of silver quarters before and when they lost the package they only would refund the face value. I only got 10 dollars. If you insured that silver Eagle you can only get 1 dollar from them.

    Did you use registered mail?

    Registered mail doesn't really make sense for a couple of ASEs. Arguably, insurance isn't even justified. Using a box instead of a bubble mailer is probably the best measure to help avoid damage during mailing.

  • JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭

    :o

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,178 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Bummer. Sorry to see that

  • HalfpenceHalfpence Posts: 462 ✭✭✭✭

    @CoinJunkie said:

    @Halfpence said:

    @Panda4456 said:
    Insurance doesn’t matter for usps. I insured a roll of silver quarters before and when they lost the package they only would refund the face value. I only got 10 dollars. If you insured that silver Eagle you can only get 1 dollar from them.

    Did you use registered mail?

    Registered mail doesn't really make sense for a couple of ASEs. Arguably, insurance isn't even justified. Using a box instead of a bubble mailer is probably the best measure to help avoid damage during mailing.

    Agreed. But he did buy insurance (for silver quarters, not eagles). I was simply wondering what insurance he bought.

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  • CoinJunkieCoinJunkie Posts: 8,772 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @airplanenut said:

    @scooter25 said:

    Anyone else have these terrible experiences with USPS? Also, what the heck did they do to destroy a coin like that?!!?!
    I ship a few thousand packages a year, almost exclusively in bubble mailers. The last time I had a slab break was... I don't remember, and I'm not even sure it's happened. Sure, problems can happen and sometimes you get unlucky, but for the most part, the USPS is really good at what they do, and for any story you can come up with maligning them, there's one for FedEx and UPS, too. My guess is that your package accidentally went through a sorting machine that isn't supposed to take packages, and to that end, always make sure your packages are at least 3/4" thick. Any time I have one that isn't thick enough (for instance, a raw coin), I throw a packing peanut in.

    I use a Safe-t-mailer inside a bubble envelope for coins worth a few hundred dollars or less. For anything more expensive it usually goes in a Safe-t-mailer inside a small flat rate Priority box.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,394 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @KingOfMorganDollar said:
    Full insurance is always a must.

    Only if you are trying to enrich the post office.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,394 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Halfpence said:

    @CoinJunkie said:

    @Halfpence said:

    @Panda4456 said:
    Insurance doesn’t matter for usps. I insured a roll of silver quarters before and when they lost the package they only would refund the face value. I only got 10 dollars. If you insured that silver Eagle you can only get 1 dollar from them.

    Did you use registered mail?

    Registered mail doesn't really make sense for a couple of ASEs. Arguably, insurance isn't even justified. Using a box instead of a bubble mailer is probably the best measure to help avoid damage during mailing.

    Agreed. But he did buy insurance (for silver quarters, not eagles). I was simply wondering what insurance he bought.

    Two different people.

  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,809 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My collectibles insurance policy covers loss or damage via USPS, UPS or Fed Ex as long as you add signature confirmation up to 60K depending on level of service and carrier.



    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 10,569 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I was always under the opinion if you had a sales receipt for an item and it was damaged or lost and insured that the receipt became the value of the item. Is that not the case?
    Jim


    When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln

    Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
  • HalfpenceHalfpence Posts: 462 ✭✭✭✭

    @grote15 said:
    My collectibles insurance policy covers loss or damage via USPS, UPS or Fed Ex as long as you add signature confirmation up to 60K depending on level of service and carrier.

    Can you tell us more about this policy?

  • MetroDMetroD Posts: 2,373 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jesbroken said:
    I was always under the opinion if you had a sales receipt for an item and it was damaged or lost and insured that the receipt became the value of the item. Is that not the case?
    Jim

    "For stamps and coins of philatelic or numismatic value; the fair market value is determined by a recognized stamp or coin dealer or current coin and stamp collectors’ newsletters and trade papers. The date of the fair market value determination must be current and prior to the mailing date."
    Source: USPS, DMM, 609, 4.1.g @ https://pe.usps.com/text/dmm300/609.htm

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,394 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jesbroken said:
    I was always under the opinion if you had a sales receipt for an item and it was damaged or lost and insured that the receipt became the value of the item. Is that not the case?
    Jim

    Yes, for most things. There are special rules for "cash" and "cash-like" objects. There are limitations on bullion.

  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,809 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Halfpence said:

    @grote15 said:
    My collectibles insurance policy covers loss or damage via USPS, UPS or Fed Ex as long as you add signature confirmation up to 60K depending on level of service and carrier.

    Can you tell us more about this policy?

    I use them for sports cards primarily but they also cover coins (though not gold or platinum).

    https://collectinsure.com/



    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • HalfpenceHalfpence Posts: 462 ✭✭✭✭

    @grote15 said:

    @Halfpence said:

    @grote15 said:
    My collectibles insurance policy covers loss or damage via USPS, UPS or Fed Ex as long as you add signature confirmation up to 60K depending on level of service and carrier.

    Can you tell us more about this policy?

    I use them for sports cards primarily but they also cover coins (though not gold or platinum).

    https://collectinsure.com/

    Thx!

  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,809 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Halfpence said:

    @grote15 said:

    @Halfpence said:

    @grote15 said:
    My collectibles insurance policy covers loss or damage via USPS, UPS or Fed Ex as long as you add signature confirmation up to 60K depending on level of service and carrier.

    Can you tell us more about this policy?

    I use them for sports cards primarily but they also cover coins (though not gold or platinum).

    https://collectinsure.com/

    Thx!

    You're welcome. They are very easy to work with and their rates are very reasonable imo.



    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • BullsitterBullsitter Posts: 5,871 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sold a roll of ASE, buyer sent these pics when it arrived. The roll was wrapped well and survived, buyer was happy.


  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,287 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 24, 2021 6:34PM

    @scooter25 said:
    ...
    I neglected to get the insurance, of course 🤦🏻‍♂️. Anyone else have these terrible experiences with USPS? Also, what the heck did they do to destroy a coin like that?!!?!

    Definitely going to be getting the insurance from now on.

    If you sent priority mail, you automatically have $50 insurance. $100 if you go through certain postage vendors.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wow...nasty damage. I always box inside a box....often Post Office boxes, sometimes a larger box, depending on what I ship. For high value, always registered mail. Cheers, RickO

  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,287 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ricko said:
    Wow...nasty damage. I always box inside a box....often Post Office boxes, sometimes a larger box, depending on what I ship. For high value, always registered mail. Cheers, RickO

    Registered mail packages can get damaged, too. I had one box arrive that had been punctured, but contents unharmed, as they were in a PCGS box inside.

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