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Are US/Philippines coins and paper money issues redeemable at the US Treasury?

291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,413 ✭✭✭✭✭

The US/Philippine Peso was valued at 50 cents US during the time of their use. US soldiers in the Philippines were paid in US/Philippines coins and currency while they were stationed there until Philippine independence. When they left for the US their US/Philippines coins and currency would be exchanged for US dollars.

Were the US/Philippines coins and currency redeemable at the US Treasury in the US during the period of their issue?

Are the US/Philippines issues redeemable at the US Treasury today?

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  • Batman23Batman23 Posts: 4,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Interesting question.

    Congrats on the BIG 20,000!!

  • Panda4456Panda4456 Posts: 362 ✭✭✭

    I love the US-Philippines peso series. I am trying to collect all of them!

  • CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,727 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 24, 2021 8:01AM

    I don’t think so. Utilization does not equal denomination. Even if they were tied through the banks through regulation as a 1-1 they were two separate things. Even their weights and silver content (75% AG vs 90%) are less compared to their American counterparts. Seeing that they were made at they same places. The manufacturing went out of their way to show they were not the same things. Damn pretty though

  • ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,902 ✭✭✭✭✭

  • NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 10,997 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Good question. Congrats on 20,000!

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,843 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Crypto said:
    I don’t think so. Utilization does not equal denomination. Even if they were tied through the banks through regulation as a 1-1 they were two separate things. Even their weights and silver content (75% AG vs 90%) are less compared to their American counterparts. Seeing that they were made at they same places. The manufacturing went out of their way to show they were not the same things. Damn pretty though

    See my link above. They were exchangeable at the time of issue.

  • CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,727 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 24, 2021 12:25PM

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Crypto said:
    I don’t think so. Utilization does not equal denomination. Even if they were tied through the banks through regulation as a 1-1 they were two separate things. Even their weights and silver content (75% AG vs 90%) are less compared to their American counterparts. Seeing that they were made at they same places. The manufacturing went out of their way to show they were not the same things. Damn pretty though

    See my link above. They were exchangeable at the time of issue.

    See my post above. My thoughts on the relevance of adoption versus what it is were stated. What Filipino currency traded for comparatively at X point is not relative to what it is worth at Y point.

    While it may have been encouraged to be adopted at bases and port cities I doubt they tied an inferior weight standard to the national standard indefinitely. And the fact sailors were paid means nothing without context. They could have gotten a COLA built into the conversion, who knows.

  • Panda4456Panda4456 Posts: 362 ✭✭✭

    I bought this bad boy today not sure if I’ll keep it or resell.


  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,843 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Crypto said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Crypto said:
    I don’t think so. Utilization does not equal denomination. Even if they were tied through the banks through regulation as a 1-1 they were two separate things. Even their weights and silver content (75% AG vs 90%) are less compared to their American counterparts. Seeing that they were made at they same places. The manufacturing went out of their way to show they were not the same things. Damn pretty though

    See my link above. They were exchangeable at the time of issue.

    See my post above. My thoughts on the relevance of adoption versus what it is were stated. What Filipino currency traded for comparatively at X point is not relative to what it is worth at Y point.

    While it may have been encouraged to be adopted at bases and port cities I doubt they tied an inferior weight standard to the national standard indefinitely. And the fact sailors were paid means nothing without context. They could have gotten a COLA built into the conversion, who knows.

    "Only pesos were coined for circulation during 1906, and nearly all of these were subsequently melted, creating the rarest collectible coin in the series. All of the silver coins were reduced in both size and fineness beginning in 1907; they were coined at these lowered standards through 1945, all the while remaining convertible to regular coins of the USA at the rate of two-for-one."

  • JBKJBK Posts: 15,762 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Hmmm. Euros are "convertible" to USD.... Exchanged, actually.

    If the Philippines peso was convertible to USD it may have been a one-sided deal. If the Philippines govt was willing to convert them that would not necessarily mean the US treasury would convert them.

    (I have not yet been able to read the linked article).

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,843 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JBK said:
    Hmmm. Euros are "convertible" to USD.... Exchanged, actually.

    If the Philippines peso was convertible to USD it may have been a one-sided deal. If the Philippines govt was willing to convert them that would not necessarily mean the US treasury would convert them.

    (I have not yet been able to read the linked article).

    Apparently the coins were convertible (2:1) during the U.S. sovereignty. It's not clear what the status is today, but if they've never been demonetized...

  • Panda4456Panda4456 Posts: 362 ✭✭✭

    I’d be more than willing to convert your silver pesos in exchange for two of my dollar bills. Just send me a message if you would like me to convert 😉

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,843 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 24, 2021 4:54PM

    @Panda4456 said:
    I’d be more than willing to convert your silver pesos in exchange for two of my dollar bills. Just send me a message if you would like me to convert 😉

    And I'll happily convert all your silver quarters for a dollar bill. I'll even give you $100 bill for a $50 AGE.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @291fifth.... Congratulations on your 20K post.... Cheers, RickO

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,353 ✭✭✭✭✭

    1917-S US Philippines (USPI) - 10 Centavos - Broadstruck

    I'm not worried about trying to redeem this at face value :)

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